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Re: Hemlock next to be nerfed PLEASE

18 bodyshot damage. So much damage, just insane. /s

R301 does 14 damage per shot and shoots ~800 shots/min. To get at least comparable dps with single fire hemlock, you would need to tap >10 times per second. GL with that...

Not to mention R301 even has a more forgiving recoil pattern.

Hemlock is a usable gun, but in no way it is even among the best.

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  • The real problem here is people using macros and binding fire to scroll wheel...it shoots faster than R99 that way + doing more damage and is cheating.

  • Controlling recoil and scrolling at the same time? Yeah, that doesn't sound even doable. Not to mention you would need to scroll in 2 directions (to not be limited to ~8 bullet bursts), which really messes up your hand muscle memory. I'm 99% sure I would have more dps with my puny 6-8 clicks/second than with scroll wheel. And of course, even single fire weapons have a fixed fire rate. You can click all you want, you won't be able to shoot more than 3 shots/sec with wingman. I have no idea what the cap fire rate for Hemlock is, but I highly doubt it's higher than 11 - you're still not going to beat an R301.

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    VPPTrue
    7 years ago

    @Biochemikas wrote:

    Controlling recoil and scrolling at the same time? Yeah, that doesn't sound even doable. Not to mention you would need to scroll in 2 directions (to not be limited to ~8 bullet bursts), which really messes up your hand muscle memory. I'm 99% sure I would have more dps with my puny 6-8 clicks/second than with scroll wheel. And of course, even single fire weapons have a fixed fire rate. You can click all you want, you won't be able to shoot more than 3 shots/sec with wingman. I have no idea what the cap fire rate for Hemlock is, but I highly doubt it's higher than 11 - you're still not going to beat an R301.


    Your facts offend me and you're probably a cheater. Nerf everything in the game!

  • some mice have a scroll wheel that can "unlock" and spin freely at very fast rate. Go look at logitech mice that have it. People really do use this - Shroud uses is as well.
  • Biochemikas's avatar
    Biochemikas
    7 years ago

    I'm too lazy to test it myself, but there are some gun stats online, not sure if they're datamined or hand-tested.

    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/03/12/apex-legends-hemlock-stats-dps-ttk-spray-pattern-hemlok-burst-ar-tips/

    Hemlock Single fire cap fire rate: 8.4 shots/sec, dps 151.2

    So I was quite right, that hemlock can't even come close to R301 in terms of TTK. Also, 8.4 shots/sec is quite doable just fast-tapping, you don't even need any inconvenient workarounds. And since hemlock doesn't beat the better CQ/mid-range weapons, you would only use it for long range tapping (if you don't have anything more suitable for that, like scout or longbow), for which slow-tapping will be most effective (something in the range of 3-4 shots/sec).

    Here, see if you can do an 8.4/sec (I can average 6-7 with burst of up to 9/sec; I can also do 13/sec twitch-clicking, but aiming is really not an option with that):

    https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/

  • Cipax's avatar
    Cipax
    Seasoned Veteran
    7 years ago

    @Taserface-ZA  then make it so you can't bind shoot to the wheel mouse button, I'm pretty sure that's something that could be done could it not?

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