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JaimzyFox
Seasoned Newcomer
3 months ago

Re: State of game/ cheats

Apex just has to many cheaters and if you need cheats to win a match then you don't know how to play video games you just make the game not fun for no one else hopefully they make a new game with better anti cheats and take this down 

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  • vVv_Bjoergen_vVv's avatar
    vVv_Bjoergen_vVv
    Rising Ace
    3 months ago

    They can't even play normally on christmas. They must have a sad life, unfortunately.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    First: Yes, cheating is a pox on this game, on all games.

    But: In some ways I ALMOST appreciate the cheaters because I can spot them and I know what I'm dealing with and I can quit. People who are just better than me? More power to them, but if they're a lot better than me then a) why did the matchmaker put me in their match, and b) they're a lot harder to identify before it's too late and I end up getting rinsed and getting frustrated and hating on the dev for their inability or unwillingness to do their job properly.

    Yes, there's a special place in hell for people who cheat. But there's an even worse place for developers who build games with such high skill ceilings that they're practically begging players to cheat and/or resort to the use of secondaries.

  • e1b2b41da38ee689's avatar
    e1b2b41da38ee689
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    While on "other business" I allocated my time to this stream: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2649859531

    It was funny to watch yet another case of a streamer / pro who really tries to soloq while holding pred rank -> took him one game :D and getting matched with current PLAT players (kudos, matchmaking might actually work, unless all higher ranked didn't 3stack and/or hack vs all legit players mostly solo or at best duo queuing).

    And very valid points / arguments made:

    1. hackers can't be distinguished from legit godlike players and majority still does not understand what is humanly possible given huge talent and input of time in training and what is software doing its job
    2. why people (assuming even legit) who can beam with say r99 from 50+m are put in the lobby with people who don't even bother top pick up R99 or at least memorize its recoil pattern to a single pixel
    3. challenge is good, getting hit by a cannonball into wall is not = transition between ranks is rough af especially Diamond->Master

     

    Even above mentioned pro proves it by having basically no chance with randoms going #5 the next game despite still sub-part game overall. (didn't watch more than 2 games)

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    "hackers can't be distinguished from legit godlike players and majority still does not understand what is humanly possible given huge talent and input of time in training and what is software doing its job"

    This may once have been true, but when the developer has to ban the top three xbox predators on the same day? Sorry, Apex, but your credibility is zero and normal people should be referring to EVERY top tier player as a cheater. Guilty until proven innocent.

    And also, as I said, if the game can't properly keep these people to themselves... can't keep them out of the general population... then they deserve to have their game referred to as a cheater's paradise even if it isn't one. But we all know that it is. The legit players you mentioned? I'll eat my hat if there are any of them left in this game anymore. If you were one, would you really want to play matches every day against people you even suspected were cheating? What would motivate you to play in that kind of environment?

  • vVv_Bjoergen_vVv's avatar
    vVv_Bjoergen_vVv
    Rising Ace
    3 months ago

    Personally, I'm hoping the player base will plummet even further, sending the development team out the door with a bang.

    New people, new ideas will emerge, and maybe one day this game will get back on track.

    Just my dream... :)

  • e1b2b41da38ee689's avatar
    e1b2b41da38ee689
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    "The legit players you mentioned? I'll eat my hat if there are any of them left in this game anymore. If you were one, would you really want to play matches every day against people you even suspected were cheating? What would motivate you to play in that kind of environment?"

    Here is a story for you on this topic.

    1. I quit Apex -> switch to aim training (hope to keep up my mechanics just in case one day I return to any game with same passion I had in Apex = ready to invest 10k hours).
      After 300h or so hours I improve my results like A LOT vs when I started, also feel that in game. Fine-tuned my sensitivity as I realized fast enough via aim-training what I was lacking / what style suits me better.
      One day I watch STYKO (CS pro) and he shows results in one of the scenarios I have grinded - my best score 600 something, his score (not sure how much he grinded) = 890!!!! That's like 50% better than I on my BEST day.
      And he is CS pro who is kinda on a low level / benched side.
      This just shows the difference between just a soloq ranked grinder like me vs pro. And you can only imagine how much better are top tier pros. The difference is HUGE and we regular people don't even understand how is that humanly possible...but it clearly is.
    2. If you can one-mag person with r99 or there about you are actually not that far off from aimbot because I mean it does not amplify damage or add bullets, it just hits them all or there about. So pros / people that are GODLIKE in this game and legit usually would 3stack with similarly skilled players. All it takes for them even when facing hackers is for a hacker to make a huge mistake or push 1v2, hacker probably loses.
      So unless it is 3stack hacker full on 3stack pros might actually have a fighting chance. In the stream I showed below that might actually been the case when streamer's team finished 5th while actually having sub-par game / teamwork (imo)...maybe 4 teams above were better, maybe they were hacking but still 5th place in Pred lobby is kinda ok result even for a pro I guess. Not very demotivating for sure.
    3. In many cases PROS have some sort of obligations maybe including ranked grind. Also don't forget income from streaming platform which probably play a bit role and have even bigger potential for growth in case their stream explodes for some reason.

     

    Yeah till recent point I thought like 100% Preds are hacking, now I think maybe just 90%. And you see from this stream that even a pro player can't do anything alone so 3stacking + that level of 3 players makes huge gap. And we are not talking like Diamond = 90% of Pred. No! Even masters are like 50% of Pred level. And Diamonds are like maybe 10% especially when soloqing. = no chance, like no chance to even put up a good fight.

  • r1ggedgame's avatar
    r1ggedgame
    Seasoned Ace
    2 months ago

    Personally, I'm hoping the player base will plummet even further, sending the development team out the door with a bang.

    New people, new ideas will emerge, and maybe one day this game will get back on track.




    Would not solve anything, Respawn will just hire devs that do what they are told.
    It has a reason why literally nobody of the original devs are still onboard.
    Ill bet the company had different views on the game compared those devs, and thats why we have the game in the state its right now.
    The source engine brain drain didnt sit well with Apex as we saw, the game in its current state  runs 100 times worse than it did in Season 3, and thats after they did the "performance" upgrade to DX12 , lol

    Apex is also a story of missed opportunities.

    1) They should have licensed the Universe for Tv Shows/Movies back in 2020
    2) They should have put more focus on Coop/Single Player Content, but they opted to abandon it.
    3) Mixed Input Lobbies are the most stupid thing, the whole Aim Assist Controversy hurt the game a lot (and still does!) and that was foreseeable . 
    4) The rigged Matchmaking (and ofc the other rigged stuff nobody is allowed to mention), sorry Respawn ... nobody is buying those lies anymore. People will gladly wait a couple of minutes to get a quality match with quality mates .   


    If they really want to reboot Apex, they better fix those things

  • vVv_Bjoergen_vVv's avatar
    vVv_Bjoergen_vVv
    Rising Ace
    2 months ago

    The only thing they'll continue to do is cosmetic things, balance manipulation, and new items for the store.

    With this, they've unfortunately shown how little they care about the game's real problems.

    EU is famous for cheaters (mainly wallhacks/scripts), NA for Aim Assist and controller cheats. And choose where and with whom you want to play.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    2 months ago

    Apex 2.0, when it comes... IF it comes at all, will be typical EA cheapskatery. No new anti-cheat. No new engine. What it will have is "new and improved" matchmaking that will be neither new nor improved, and it will not re-set the gameplay to anything like a sane, old-school level. It will build off the unbalanced insanity we have now. Some legends with super powers, others with nothing. Some weapons seemingly unstoppable, others that do nothing but can't be deleted from the game because of skins. And the other thing that won't change: the army of hard stuck diamonds and masters who spend 90% of their play time on a secondary so they can farm low-skill lobbies. If your matches aren't compromised by cheaters then they're compromised by smurfs. Often times one and the same. That will never go away.

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