@hayhor
I guess it makes sense if I remind myself that Apex is just a casual game. I automatically think of it as a skill based game, but obviously it is not. Has it ever been skill based?
Sure, I can see that happening. I just think that PK is a bit too strong, as the mastiff, to be part of the general loot.
R99 is OP, PK is OP, Charge Rifle is OP, Triple take is OP, Bocek is OP, Mastiff is OP, Spitfire is OP... This is how the playerbase proves that the weapons are actually well balanced and feel strong, they are not ticklers.
As for this being a casual game, nope. Apex Legends matches the definition of a hardcore game perfectly. The playerbase proves this as well, with the high levels of engagement and endless complaints.
@DoYaSeeMe
You have a diametrically opposite point of view.
I am convinced that Apex is a Casual game, and that it caters to the casual player mostly. With very little attention towards the more hardcore players because they are a minority.
As you stated in various posts, and as devs confirmed, the advantages of upgrading from 20 tickrates to 64 or more are negligible given the audience obviously.
Any other competitive game has at the very least 64 tickrates (and 128 possibly, see ESEA for CS:GO, Valorant), despite of whatever argument about updating the entire world, or costs it may need.
Since devs are not willing, cannot go that route it means that it is either not worth it for the average player (meaning the average player is not competitive enough) or the game was not meant to be competitive in the first place --hence the way it has been coded does not allow for it to work with, say, 128 updates per second).
That is why I believe that Apex is a Casual game.
As far as weapons go, I'm interested in talking about the peacekeeper. I think other weapons are fine the way they are, but the bow (that would be another topic).
@DoYaSeeMe mozambique is OP, pellet spread is too tight. ;p
@VdstrkYou are confusing hardcore with pro / high level competitive. Casual games are those with a low skill ceiling. If Apex would be a casual game, you'd be able to beat Aceu, Shroud, ShivFPS, etc. like 50% of the time, even after only a few dozens of hours of playtime.
@MandatoryIDtag If regular 'bique is OP, what is there to say about the 1st of April 2020 Mozambique? š
Here Aceu criticized the peacekeeper, SBMM and explicitly says the game is for Casuals....
https://dotesports.com/apex-legends/news/nrg-aceu-apex-legends-interview
Nope. Personal skills is a thing. A casual game is another.
Games like the division 2, apex, and deep rock galactic are casual games.
In the division 2 there is a pvp mode, and aim timing for healing etc all matter. However, the game bridges the skill gap by introducing RNG on how likely a player is to find good loot. Nevertheless a better player in the division 2 will generally overcome a weaker player. That fact, that the more skilled player generally wins does not make a game competitive. It is still a casual game. So is Apex.
Apex does the exact same, when dropping in game a shotgun that can 1/2 shot you from a decent distance.
Every game is a function of skills --to a point. RNG is the negation of those skills along with artificial modifications such as shotguns that can 1/2 shot you.
Another factor that makes Apex a non competitive game is RNG.
Traditionally speaking competitive games have eliminated the RNG factor. CS:GO has no RNG, and accounting for spread patterns the RNG is minimal. Valorant follows CS:GO. Quake has 0 RNG --while followed and played only by hardcore (those who you call tryhards in Apex) players it is one of the most skillful competitive shooters --it does not even have weapon recoil.
The revenant ult for example, It makes it so you have to kill a players 1 and 1/2 times basically. So much for bridging the gap.... and much more.
So, no --sorry. Apex is a casual game who cannot adapt to become a competitive game because it has terribly unbalanced 1/2 shots guns, poor netcode, runs on poor servers, it has issues with audio, etc etc. etc...
It is fun to play? Sure. Are there people that try to push it and make is seem "more" competitive than what it is, sure. Mostly those people make thousands on stream though.
@DoYaSeeMe That thing my friend was artwork, a masterpiece, an object of unrivalled magnificentce and truly deserving of the title "OP".
OP, you don't need to keep making threads about this topic, we get where you're coming from.
I happen to disagree mightily by the way. Shotguns should kill people. It's been nonsense since the PK and Prowler were put in the care package. Now guns can actually kill again. The only thing demented about that package now is that the Triple Take is there and it has no business being there.
People need to understand most times you die it is not because of getting shot with a certain gun, and winning isn't because you had a certain gun. Sometimes, sure, stuff is OP. But most times it is not, and it has a lot more to do with weak guns needing a buff. I mean, you tell me when the last time you wandered around saying a P2020 is OP, or an EVA or an Alternator. These weapons have problems that need a buff, because putting the PK back in the package isn't going to solve that these 3 (and there are more) weapons are so underpowered people pick up nearly anything else if they can.
Far more weapons are too weak and need a buff, than weapons that are too powerful. Buff things and start getting shot/killing people. That's the game.
Hah, I do but I may have missed it because it was not great for so long. Iād be happy if it was better because it would support my point: guns that kill are fine, players need to be better.
I have been getting hit with PK for around 7 damage to 30 damage to 70ish. The Eva IMO is being slept on and by far the best shotgun in the game in the right hands. The damage it can deal with the fire rate it has will outdo any other shotgun. PK is a little weak IMO compared to other shotguns as it will not show real power until fully charged up. Where Eva and Mastiff are blasting people non-stop with no charge-ups.
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