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Re: Why is it so hard to get good teammates?

@XxColdFangxX You will get bad teammates it happens a lot but the more you progress the more times good teammates show up and for the situation that you had. Just don't follow that teammate if they choose just to loot and die first.You will get better way faster if you just don't follow those teammates to a death trap

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  • @InkBlaze02Huh?

    No offense but this is almost the opposite of the truth. It is widely acknowledged that if you are ABOVE average, the algorithm will INTENTIONALLY give you under-average teammates.

    The key here is our consideration of the term “under-average”.

    If matchmaking were random, people would get average teammates ON AVERAGE; this is how math and the law of averages work.

    But this isn’t what’s happening. The game absolutely is intentionally handicapping above average players by giving them new and or lower skilled teammates.

    The only proven way to win more than average is to be Master/Pred and to play with similarly skilled teammates.

  • EREGDS's avatar
    EREGDS
    4 years ago

    @InkBlaze02also to be honest unless you are able to overpower enemies = win 1v2 and 1v3 or are ready to progress say in Ranked mode very slowly = what this community calls ratting, it is better to follow-through with the bad plan than abandon it and not fullfill a good plan (teammates will be dead and they will not be able to follow you after that).
    I try not to play with randoms like randoms in game - sticking with finding people in Discord servers, at least they have and use mics - but when I do I play mobile legends like Valk, Octane, Path, Ash, Loba (rarely) so that I can support my not so smart teammates as much as possible at the same time if it is 100000% clear that they are going down and there is no way I can finish the enemy team or we get 3rd and 4th party coming in, I can at least have a chance of running away / return for banners fast enough.

    Thus my games with randoms usually go like:
    - tell them my plan
    - hear out their version
    - argue if needed
    - support them by saying that I will not fully commit and leave the fight as soon as things get really rough
    - try to survive and get banners
    - rat to minimize RP loss

    @XxColdFangxX- welcome to Apex where a success (in ranked) is mostly dependant of your ability to find a set squad / people to play with on a regular basis.

  • @InkBlaze02 Um it's more like bad teammates no matter the rank. I've been as far as Plat 1 an still.nothing but bot teammates. Why you ask? Because all people do to rank up in apex is rat, 3rd party, rat, 3rd party an that's it. Most players don't even know what it means to have a regular 3v3 it's either there 3rd partying the 3v3 or 3rd partying the 3rd party. Like apex is just no fun when all someone gets is bots every damn game. I have to play 100 games before I get a decent player let alone a good player
  • XxColdFangxX's avatar
    XxColdFangxX
    3 years ago

    Yeah I've been playing on and off since like season 5, I have improved a bit since I started, but this issue still persist. 

    It doesn't matter the game mode, ranked, pubs, brs, arenas, or the ltms. This game was made around the idea of a team concept and it's literally killing the game for solo players like me, who play with randoms a majority of the time. 

    Even worse when you do opt in to joining a party with people, they up the difficulty of their already unenjoyable gaming experience by throwing you into lobbies with other pre-made teams which are a majority of the time going to be Plat and up type players, so even if you do get a good squad of people you enjoy playing with, you still don't stand any sort of chance in their sweaty lobbies. 

    Game needs a serious rework on their Matchmaking, which I hear is coming, but I'm not going to hold my breath. 

  • pandareno1999's avatar
    pandareno1999
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    @Axs5626Sxa5001

    I feel like I've told this tale too many times now, but this isn't just true for high level players. I'm a just below average player, and my solo q team mates are also almost universally way below my level. Brief example, lasts season my friend and I did a coaching project, and he spectated well over 100 solo q matches that I played, keeping a detailed spreadsheet of dozens of statistics. In these matches, my KDR was 2.2 (far above my overall KDR from playing with friends, a matter for another discussion), while my two random team mates in all of the matches combined averaged exactly .39.  I'm playing for self-improvement, not really all that concerned about winning, so even though this disparity existed, it did not ruin my experience.  If anything, it allowed me to rack up more kills than I would have were my team mates better.  But it sure would have if I were looking to actively increase my win rate.

  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Axs5626Sxa5001 makes you wonder, when is it that SBMM decides to match you with an equal, or above your skill ceiling player, cause as of now, I'm never matched with a master or pred player, but always with two lower skilled players.

    How many games do I have to lose before I'm the one being babysat by a higher end player, cause it seems like that is never the case lol
  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    3 years ago
    @Gabrielmojo26 I always get matched with very low skilled players and low levels, until I have lost about 8 to 10 matches. When I say "lost" - I mean destroyed, first person I come across and first shots fired....Hi Lobby.
    Once I get wasted 8 - 10 matches, I usually get a 20 bomb 4k badge pro as a teammate (duos).
    And sometimes that match is actually worse than the 8 to 10 prior....depending on what makes a good game for someone.
    I love how the system thinks, this poor guy just got his a*s handed to him...lets cut him a break and give him a good match, here is a master/pred as a teammate. This will help how??
  • NickBeam27's avatar
    NickBeam27
    3 years ago

    And speaking from personal experience - on average, Octanes are the most frustrating and toxic type team players imaginable.