@DoYaSeeMeI'm more than happy to gain insight and be educated on some of these matters but i also don't want you to waste your time doing it just for my sake as i have seen you go through similar things multiple times. You got to get that gaming in too... That's not an unwillingness to learn on my side and also not what this thread is for as i would dm you if that was the case but by all means explain yourself when presenting something for understanding.
I do want to hear there's a better solution because the games state is awful atm (even avid supporters of the game think/say so) and compromise would be each side making concessions finding a middle ground. It doesn't sound like you're doing that. Being told when the game is completely broken that it's the best to the alternatives so nothing is going to change isn't meeting each other half way.
I have tried throwing many ideas out there and shown understanding of the scaling situation at launch ect but we are couple years in now and that's not being reciprocated when looking at it from a purely performance perspective. I'm not talking about the general population but those that want the best out of what they have in a competitive environment, even if it's just extra options client side.
Many/most, if not all users here have these game related issue and while some will voice it, they either don't speak about them anymore because they're tired of it or they know nothing will change. That doesn't change the fact the issues are there.
''I think Respawn should focus on more doable stuff, which can visibly and definitely improve Apex: code optimizations, user experience, transparency, communication, content.''
Giving extra content when the core game is totally broken means nothing and same goes for communication when being told they fixed certain issues but nothing has actually changed which has happened a fair few times now. Just the most recent example being ranked. Actions speak louder than words.
I would like you who is in the industry to come up with potential alternatives, improvements, ideas or anything else that might improve it except toeing the line of Respawn as to why we have what we have and it's the best they can do, because it's currently crap.
Abilities not working, getting shot through doors not milliseconds but full (several) seconds later, unable to pick up items or the game giving visual or audio confirmation but taking to long to process that it's not actually the case are things that could be improved upon. Expensive to fix? Probably, but not impossible.
@apostolateofDOOMI noticed you said flyers and prowlers, I don't even know what prowlers are, but the flyers are 90% of the time flying with an useless blue box with items you already have, the only thing valuable in them that is worth exposing your location by literally shooting them is the healing items, however you usually get so many heals every 100meters I find myself pinging shield cell or syringe sometimes even the bigger heals..
@DoYaSeeMeah yes the Dunning Kruger Effect, one of our most favourite and hated effect there is..
@DoYaSeeMe We'll go with you analogy..
If the car is on the pitstop with a flat tyre and everyone is screaming to change it but they're more concerned about the alloys being polished, tuning the stereo and giving the sponsorship logo a lick of paint clearly costing the race then i would say those in the crowd have a justified reason to complain as there were more important and pressing matters that needed attending to.
How is the Dunning Kruger effect applicable when the devs are on mount stupid taking nearly 2 years to implement obvious but also relatively easy fixes that were suggested by the community and myself like increasing the kill cap when ranked was introduced that took them 18 months or being ranked with players in the same tier they didn't actually fix or balancing Wraith when the problem was common knowledge but it took them 8 whole seasons to address it.
These are just from S8 and there are so many other examples of negligence by Respawn that i could go into.
If you meant in my case, i already admitted in my very first post my lack understanding of certain issues (no sense of superiority whatsoever) and why i would like input from someone like you who proclaims to have a deeper understanding of the topic but for some reason you're defending not changing a tyre with not one suggestion or potential alternative they could do to improve it in relation to the first post either now or in the future. How very strange...
Edit: I don't want to get into pointless debate with you if you're not willing or able to add something that could potentially come out of it.
@damsonwhufndthis Prowlers are those things at bloodhounds trials. I only brought that up because as you said they're both basically useless that doesn't really enrich the experience but is a extra load on the servers.
@DoYaSeeMeThis is why i'm chucking everything out there to be discussed so those in the know in such matters could explain if or why something was or isn't possible, if not now then perhaps in the future.
Separate servers for ranked/competitive.
Change or optimise the way packets are sent.
Removing or lowing the load on servers.
Clients choosing their own rates.
Different competitive modes with less players so it doesn't effect performance as much?
Server selector - We already discussed this and i agree for most instant is better but from a purely competitive perspective i think choice would improve the situation.
Changes to lag compensation or limiting the possible ping in a match.
If not these then maybe something else? Throw me a bone here..
@DoYaSeeMeDoes code refactoring address any of the problems i mentioned?
I forgot about this thread so sorry for late reply. 🥳
@DoYaSeeMeSounds like we desperately need some of that then.
What about an upgrade to a new engine? Remember it's nearly Easter!!
@DoYaSeeMeI think you missed the Easter part... 😛
How come Fortnite and other games did it then? We have a 10yr plan, apparently...
@DoYaSeeMeIf the game is in this state after 2 years what's it going to be like in 5 let alone 10 the devs said they had for Apex...
You mean complex like projectiles instead of hitscan? Battlefields? They also got server upgrades after backlash.
I don't think that servers are the sole problem as it's probably more the spaghetti network coding of the game from all the updates that needs addressing as it's only after updates the problem keeps getting worse.
Better movement and generally much faster gameplay? Dirty bomb, they have much smaller players per match but it's very responsive and more stable than Apex when support stopped for that game years ago and they also had an instant play and server selector.
Using an outdated engine that's limited by todays standards doesn't makes sense for the time they want to keep this game running especially when their competitors are already announcing those upgrades.
Edit: Regardless of limitations of the game engine or comparing it to other titles. It's not my fault they made a service that's to complex for them to run effectively or make it future proof.. That's what they get paid for and in comparison to others, some much older titles, they're doing a pretty poor job.
@DoYaSeeMeThat's still 50% it'll improve and the problems will be there regardless after a few years of updates anyway, at least the engine can handle it, likely much better than current. I also don't see why they can't make similar modifications to source 2 or equivalent in Unreal and port it. If it doesn't feel the same they can change things to make it similar or even much better than before as they're not as limited. How are they going to stay up to date for 10yrs at this rate?
This isn't a product, it's a live service so they can bring something fresh during an upgrade season easily... That's one of the benefits of what they're doing and what Fortnite did.
Why would they do it? Because all their competitors are already upgrading and they want to stay relevant for next gen. Why would you risk going into debt making a whole new game when you have a successful one with a huge player base sat there already asking for those upgrades?
@DoYaSeeMe My opinion is backed by the countless threads all over the internet, regulars on AHQ, from casuals to pros, almost all content creators (except those sponsored by EA) who all say the performance is bad. Many have already left the game because of this, especially on PC. I would even go as far to say that even those that still enjoy the game acknowledge there's some serious core issues but the positives outweigh the negatives or they just love the game regardless. Some just have more money than sense in a lot of cases or don't bother arguing this fact as they know that in all likely hood things won't change so they make the best of it..
This is an EA game after all.
The recent poll showed nearly 50% only play Apex because there's nothing currently better and likely because of investing in the BP not wanting to miss out in the future.. Not because they enjoy it. That's really bad.
The reason it's being backed by peoples wallets is because of new markets like next gen consoles, Steam, Switch and Mobile coming soon. Those that have been here since release are now more reluctant to invest in the game because of the core problems or the way they handle Apex. Just ask @MandatoryIDtag who was a marine mammal or even @DarthValtrex who is the paragon of positivity on the forums who isn't happy about lowering particle FX count to accommodate Switch players for example. The game is naturally degrading without TLC i doubt anyone can deny and they're intentionally doing it at the cost of others user experience. They don't even put half these backend changes in the patch notes.
Inconsistent matches, broken ranked, SBMM, forced LTMS, buggy updates, broken audio, slow and delayed server response, hitreg, actions not happening like using abilities or picking up items and generally sluggish performance are majorly hindering the game.
Is the game playable? Sure. Is it good? No chance.
Edit: This is meant to be a thread with suggestion of what they can do to make it better remember and not reasons they can't do it.
@apostolateofDOOM Yup, my whale days are loooooong gone. As much as I love Apex legends, from the lore to the character and map concepts....I just can't invest in a game with so many flaws.
I used to be Mr Positivity just like darth but that wore off over time lol. 😛
I shall continue to lurk in hope of solid improvements.
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