The Cheater Problem is Artificial
All I see on the forums is complaining about cheaters. I have yet to see a single person I truly, without a doubt, can say is a cheater. I've been playing games for way too long and for most of my ti...
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Statistics? There were 16,000 cheaters caught around the same time 25,000,000 players were reported. That means there's about 1 cheater in every 1,563 players. In any one game, there would be 59 other players if you queued solo. For that one game you have 0.00108% chance of meeting a cheater. That means for every 1,000 games you play, you have 1.08% chance of meeting a cheater one time. I'd say about 1/5th of the forum posts are about cheaters. I think it's a bit of mental gymnastics to think that cheats are as rampant as whats being reported on these forums.
It would be really interesting to pull all the profiles of both people claiming they don't see cheaters and people claiming cheats are running rampant. You could do a regression analysis based on their level and kills through the stat tracker website. I expect you would reach the conclusion that people claiming that there are rampant cheats just need to "git gud".
@Kire224 wrote:Statistics? There were 16,000 cheaters caught around the same time 25,000,000 players were reported. That means there's about 1 cheater in every 1,563 players. In any one game, there would be 59 other players if you queued solo. For that one game you have 0.00108% chance of meeting a cheater. That means for every 1,000 games you play, you have 1.08% chance of meeting a cheater one time. I'd say about 1/5th of the forum posts are about cheaters. I think it's a bit of mental gymnastics to think that cheats are as rampant as whats being reported on these forums.
It would be really interesting to pull all the profiles of both people claiming they don't see cheaters and people claiming cheats are running rampant. You could do a regression analysis based on their level and kills through the stat tracker website. I expect you would reach the conclusion that people claiming that there are rampant cheats just need to "git gud".
Where is the evidence to support your claim of 25 million players reported? What makes you think that the 16,000 were banned because of either reports on EAC or the forums, rather than by being detected by EAC itself?
You don't have answers to those questions because you're just making things up as you go along. There is no information about how many players have been reported, or how many who have been banned as a result of being reported.
Your claim, that player reports are wrong because the players who made them are bad at the game, is completely false.
https://www.ea.com/news/apex-legends-25-million-players
"We’re also thrilled to announce that since last Monday, more than 25 million players have jumped into the game"
I'm done arguing. It's the same thing with every game. People see one video of a hacker and they think everyone is hacking.
@Kire224 wrote:https://www.ea.com/news/apex-legends-25-million-players
"We’re also thrilled to announce that since last Monday, more than 25 million players have jumped into the game"
I'm done arguing. It's the same thing with every game. People see one video of a hacker and they think everyone is hacking.
That there are 25 million Apex players - or even 50 million - doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of those players have been reported...
In fact, I doubt most players even know how to report a cheat. Plus, there is no in-game cheat report function.
On top of these facts, Apex is a multi-platform game. Meaning: there are other means of playing Apex besides PC. Cheating is far less prevalent on consoles. Which means console players are unlikely to report other players for cheating.
So, when you narrow it down to which platforms are plagued by cheating the 16,000 players were really from the PC based players only, and not the entire Apex Legends player population.
Which makes the only statistics used in this thread to support the ridiculous argument that players are wrong about cheating, completely false.
The 16,000 players banned isn't from 25m or 50m as most players are on console.
I meant reported as in Respawn reported 25 million players. Also, even if you took 1/4th of the player base and said it was on PC, you still would only see a hacker 1% of the time every 250 games. Yes, there are hackers, but people are acting like the game is plagued with them. It's not.
@Kire224 wrote:I meant reported as in Respawn reported 25 million players. Also, even if you took 1/4th of the player base and said it was on PC, you still would only see a hacker 1% of the time every 250 games. Yes, there are hackers, but people are acting like the game is plagued with them. It's not.
Respawn has not "reported 25 million players". You are just making that up.
If you really think that PC players are seeing hackers 1% of the time in every 250 matches (whatever that's supposed to mean) then you are very sorely mistaken.
Once again you are floundering and resorting to making things up.
yet to be found actually banned accounts contra all active accounts that plays Apex per console or pc.
all theese numbers should exist somewhere.
they must know how many they have banned
and they also should know how many that plays on their servers.
and on what they play it on aswell.
@warslag wrote:
Respawn has not "reported 25 million players". You are just making that up.
If you really think that PC players are seeing hackers 1% of the time in every 250 matches (whatever that's supposed to mean) then you are very sorely mistaken.
Once again you are floundering and resorting to making things up.
reportedDictionary result for reported/rəˈpôrdəd/adjective- having been formally or officially announced or described."an increase in reported crime"
@Kire224 wrote:@warslag wrote:
Respawn has not "reported 25 million players". You are just making that up.
If you really think that PC players are seeing hackers 1% of the time in every 250 matches (whatever that's supposed to mean) then you are very sorely mistaken.
Once again you are floundering and resorting to making things up.
reportedDictionary result for reported/rəˈpôrdəd/adjective- having been formally or officially announced or described."an increase in reported crime"
That was the TOTAL number of players across all platforms around the world. It's nothing to do with cheating.
This is what you said:
"Statistics? There were 16,000 cheaters caught around the same time 25,000,000 players were reported. That means there's about 1 cheater in every 1,563 players. In any one game, there would be 59 other players if you queued solo. For that one game you have 0.00108% chance of meeting a cheater. That means for every 1,000 games you play, you have 1.08% chance of meeting a cheater one time. I'd say about 1/5th of the forum posts are about cheaters. I think it's a bit of mental gymnastics to think that cheats are as rampant as whats being reported on these forums."
You have based that on the total number of players on all platforms. You are just making all your statistics up.
Players aren't even cheating on console, and the number of players on PC hasn't even been released.
So how can you possibly determine that you have a "0.00108%" chance of seeing a cheat on PC?
For some strange reason you are just here for a tedious game of forum ping pong based on "git gud" and made up statistics.
He realy is making something up and takes numbers out of context.
You can take those numbers to the completly opposite too:
- 2.000.000 concurrent players on all plattforms together
- 500.000 of them play on pc concurrently since numbers on consoles are usually a lot stronger for free games like this.
- 16.000 cheaters got banned which are usually only the ones who got caught after being too obvious (ESP only players are the hardest to spot, especially if they use private invite-only cheats and those numbers are usually higher than these accounts who got caught)
If we keep all those things in mind and take the fact that cheaters usually are very actively playing (usually more active than normal players since they don´t ragequit),
it´s possible we have ~3% concurrent cheaters on PC..... that´s 1-2 cheaters each match who atleast use ESP (which still wont make you win most of the time since it´s not an Aimbot).
Depending on the server these numbers can be higher or lower... countries with higher numbers are usually China, France, Germany, Russia while Scandinavian countries for example usually have lower numbers if any at all.
You see how easy it is to switch numbers around and make things up?
In conclusion we can´t be sure how many there are at all each match because EA doesn´t provide those stats since they´re at the stock market and it could hurt them.
There are servers where you run into cheaters more often and servers were you rarely see one.... but still you should take every report serious, even it´s false report because of the lack of skill..... BUT never ever claim the numbers of cheaters are decreasing or not so high as many believe, becasue that will motivate a lot of cheaters to go even more rampage.
This whole thread is based on a sneering joke in the title of the thread itself, which is based on the name of a cheat website.
That's been the whole purpose of this thread. Just to scoff and sneer at genuine, honest players who come to the forums to complain about cheating.
@warslag wrote:This whole thread is based on a sneering joke in the title of the thread itself, which is based on the name of a cheat website.
That's been the whole purpose of this thread. Just to scoff and sneer at genuine, honest players who come to the forums to complain about cheating.
wow, didnt realise that. both sad and funny at the same time.
like a girl with to much muscles, exciting and confusing at the same time 🤔
@warslag wrote:This whole thread is based on a sneering joke in the title of the thread itself, which is based on the name of a cheat website.
That's been the whole purpose of this thread. Just to scoff and sneer at genuine, honest players who come to the forums to complain about cheating.
Yeah, the title is a "artificial" snearing joke made by an "artificial" player talking about "artificial" cheaters!!! 😃
This is probably the best topic here.
That's right, there is not many cheaters in game. I play since release, and there was MAYBE 1 guy, who I think, could cheat.
Kids on this forum are getting out of hand with their posts "OMG cheater, hahaha, b4mb00ZleD, XDDD, ahahahah, ban everyone except me, hahaha, anti-cheat sh*t". I know that IQ is someting you are born with, but please just try to control your behaviour on the internet forum.
The game is loosing players, because they already reached the "peak", it's normal in every game.
Before posting next silly topic, just remember that when somebody killed you, in 99% he was just better. There is many good players, which you have no chances against. Kids here act like they are the best in game and if they die, someone was for sure cheating. It doesn't work like this.
Worst problem for game are Wallhackers and Aimboters, but EAC is already working against them.
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