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I have approximately 8-10 accounts that I currently test the matchmaking on— I have often shared my findings here on the forums.
I have accounts that are intentionally bad (no kills and no damage). I have accounts that are intentionally average. I have accounts with very high matchmaking ratings.
I am beyond confident that I have an understanding of what goes on in an average lobby. And of course, I was average at one time myself.
As an average player, sometimes you run into lower skilled players and sometimes you get higher skilled players that get easier lobbies due to constantly losing to the highest skilled players.
The most important point here of course, is the fact that high MMR (top bucket) pub lobbies exist. Please think about that. At ANY given point in time, there is a lobby that is essentially all high diamond to Pred players.
If these lobbies exist (which they do) that means that THOSE EXACT players are NOT abusing the rest of the player base— because they can’t simultaneously be in your lobby and in their own lobby.
Do I see some 4k 20 bomb players on my average accounts? Yes. But they are very limited. Compare this to my main, where the majority seems to be better than me despite being a Masters-level player.
So again, what does this all mean?
It means that the bulk of highly skilled players are playing each other most of the time, despite the belief that they are not.In Axnumbers defense I have the same experience only I need to be a premade. Anyone who has played with friends and without can speak to how the MM does try to seperate. Anyone that's played to Masters can also speak to how the MM tries to seperate the very top from the rest.
Will you see crazy good players and full teams in random lobbies? Yes, definately. In my solo q lobbies I see them too. But there's a huge difference when you jump and see all purple, blue and red trails and that happens way more when in a team or your account is classified in a certain way.
- HappyHourSumwur2 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Axs5626Sxa5001It isn't that high MMR lobbies exist, it is that MM seems to put me in them or it drops those players into my lobbies when the MM timer for them goes off. Premade just makes it 500% worse, too. My brother and I (both probably Gold players at best) play as a premade duo in Trios pubs and struggle to get kills for hours at a time and the MM does absolutely nothing!!! We've played together off and on for about a year and have maybe 5 wins. Our KDR playing together is probably half what it is playing solo.
Got killed by somebody last night with 10x the kills, damage, & wins as I have and pred badges all over their frame. I was juking all over the place and he basically killed me with 4 Wingman shots. Then he killed the other 2 in our squad just as easily. That is like showing up for pickup basketball at the YMCA when the Golden State Warriors got next. Screw that, I'll just hit the weights and go home.Update 5/23: I'm now in the camp for just scrapping all SBMM and making pubs matchmaking "first come, first served". This crap is horrible.
- @Cro_Pittt man after 10 matches it places me in silver 3, and tonight i played 6 matches and every time was killed by at least current plat2+ players, diamond and once master. Where is logic there??? This new MM is def the worst so far. It is good for skilled players, but for a regular Joe it is nightmare.
- @HappyHourSumwur it seems that the APEX devs are making this game more fun for streamers and pro players. They want to keep them here for promoting the game, while the rest of us can go to hell. Probably i will stop playing it soon...
- Kyldenar2 years agoSeasoned Ace@gokuzmaj That's a BINGO!
@gokuzmajCurrent ranks do not matter, so just don’t worry about them and especially don’t take them as any indicator if the person can play.
The matchmaking is okayish, there will allways someone be at the receiving end. That’s nothing respawn can fix.
Also I do by now believe that a higher chunk of mmr comes from placements, meaning if you hit top 10 a lot you mostlikely will get a high mmr where you shouldn’t be- @matzesingt I've been saying for a long time that even in pubs, top 5s had a huge affect on the MM so that wouldn't surprise me in ranked. It is why people that do not fight in pubs until the end usually run into some really good team and get stomped.
after placements I got rookie rank and was getting placed against plat and up people. When I hit bronze silver I was getting masters squads. I'm gold now and my team mates are bronze wtf is this garbage?
- @matzesingt i am not talking bout rank, just in 6 games 0 kills. The reason is because i m not in the lobby for me, but apex insists on that one!
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