@pastaclown I felt like the havoc just did not require skill, it was way too easy to control the recoil and have laser accuracy for the devastating headshots. I was seeing mid tier players pick up a havoc and mow down a pre-made pred squad like nothing with it. When a gun can close such a large skill gap it's OP. I don't mind some gun being stronger then others. But it shouldn't be so strong that it allows a mediocre player, to mow down 2-3 higher skill players.
The stronger gun should be just enough to give one player a minimal advantage. But not so much that other players can't beat it with really high skill plays. Not so much that it allows laziness on the part of gamer who has the OP gun.
Right now I do not see that in the TT at all. The havoc can still mow people down if you get the recoil pattern down. But ya it was fun when it was OP, so long as you were the one who had it.