When will ratting be penalized
I can not sat and when you get into a match and randoms avoid any fighting and hide for rp I really think this needs to be a reporting option
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@Unheal1thyTAC04
So there is only ONE RIGHT WAY to play the game? Full-on, max aggression at all times, throw everything at the wall no matter how often none of it sticks? What's next? Reporting people for not dropping in the jm's dumpster fire drop zone? For abandoning a doomed bug hunt? For not picking up the right weapons? For not playing meta legends? Where does this all end?
So there is only ONE RIGHT WAY to play the game? Full-on, max aggression at all times, throw everything at the wall no matter how often none of it sticks? What's next? Reporting people for not dropping in the jm's dumpster fire drop zone? For abandoning a doomed bug hunt? For not picking up the right weapons? For not playing meta legends? Where does this all end?
@reconzero
I'm not describing some crazy hot drop scenario here. Landing in a different part of a large POI with one other team, looting up, and fighting the other team is widely considered to be best practice in ranked Apex. This secures initial KP that grows in value through the end game as you then proceed to rotate carefully to and avoid risky fights. I think that we are coming from such fundamentally different points of view about how to play the game that I'm not going to try to argue with you, because I don't think we are going to arrive at a point of agreement. Respectfully, I think that we will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck out there!
I'm not describing some crazy hot drop scenario here. Landing in a different part of a large POI with one other team, looting up, and fighting the other team is widely considered to be best practice in ranked Apex. This secures initial KP that grows in value through the end game as you then proceed to rotate carefully to and avoid risky fights. I think that we are coming from such fundamentally different points of view about how to play the game that I'm not going to try to argue with you, because I don't think we are going to arrive at a point of agreement. Respectfully, I think that we will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck out there!
@pandareno1999 sabotage is what respawn says it is, and they do not say ratting is sabotage, and until they do, any ratting reporting is just a waste of everybodies time, including your own. Tbh it seems a bit petulant to me.
Also it's all well and good if you are part of a premade trio or duo, and you are well used to playing togeather in ranked, finding out how to work togeather best to do well, not everyone has that luxury.
@OldTreeCreeper
As I described, we pinged our intentions multiple times, while random third communicated nothing of their intention not to help, despite having ample time to do so.
You have a point! I have literally never once solo queued in ranked, for this reason. You're a lot braver than I am on that count! I don't have the stomach for it.My bud has solo queued to Masters multiple times, and our ranked win rate together this season is somewhere around 15%. So, I'm comfortable believing that our approach is not a bad one. I will respectfully bow out of this conversation now, as I'd prefer not going around and around the same argument. As for the report, I will concede your point and let it go there.
- @pandareno1999 While I agree the whole contested team drop is what a lot of people believe in there are lots that believe in looting full POIs by themselves before rotating and taking fights. And this is not just poor fighting players. I've watched lots of nicewigg and rogue ranked matches in past seasons and they much prefer getting fully kitted before moving on other teams.
As you said the other guy could have said no to moving in. Maybe he is just used to having to play on his own and assumes that's how it will be. Or maybe he was afk for a bit.
- @OldTreeCreeper "sabotage is what respawn says it is, and they do not say ratting is sabotage, and until they do, any ratting reporting is just a waste of everybodies time, including your own. Tbh it seems a bit petulant to me."
Where can we find this? I have tried to figure out what exactly constitutes "sabotage" since reporting was introduced. Never had any success.@CCbathwater I understood it to be about addressing griefing when it was introduced, but I can't remember the source.
Clearly it's not about a player going their own way otherwise there wouldn't be a solo drop option.
- @pandareno1999
"Landing in a different part of a large POI with one other team, looting up, and fighting the other team is widely considered to be best practice in ranked Apex."
I would have said that this is one particular practice that is favored by a majority of players, but is certainly not the only path forward in this game. I'm personally suspicious of the practice because I find that most players (that I see in the game) choose it as a method of preventing boredom without a thought to risk/benefit.
And I'm not trying to bring anyone around to my way of thinking so much as just trying to point out that in-game behaviors are not always what they seem. What may appear to be pointless and counter-productive can sometimes be very carefully considered and deliberate. Whether it can count as successful depends entirely on how you measure success. One of the things that I find frustrating about this game is that the ranking system encourages players to treat the game like an arena shooter instead of a survival game. The scenario you described could certainly fit that mould, although I have to acknowledge, especially knowing a little bit about your personal gameplay philosophy, that there is more to it than that.I mean, again, as I see it, players will do what they think will have them win, and right now that’s ratting. If not all the time then at least when things go badly. This is not a very sportsmanship oriented game right now.
Everything is fair in love and war. I don't see how they can penalize ratting. I do it. I loot, find a good hiding spot, and wait for the last 2 teams to kill each other. If they don't, I hope the other team is just one person.
Looking at your question from a logistic point of view, let's say Respawn says "Ratting is Forbidden". How would they enforce such a rule?? Report them you say? They can't just take your word for it. They can't take kills or damage into account, because I am a bad shot. Other people could claim the same thing... I am a horrible shot. Recently I was on Broken Moon and I was actively seeking another player to kill me. I wanted to join a friend and didn't need some quitter penalty. It took me forever to find a wraith pawing through a bin, I punched her because I didn't have a weapon and she ran off. There are some days you can drop into maps and it is like not one person is near you. Thus enforcement of a no ratting policy would never fly.
You know we would have very odd BR matches, if everyone ratted to the very end.
@reconzero wrote:
One of the things that I find frustrating about this game is that the ranking system encourages players to treat the game like an arena shooter instead of a survival game. The scenario you described could certainly fit that mould, although I have to acknowledge, especially knowing a little bit about your personal gameplay philosophy, that there is more to it than that.Thanks for observing that distinction. I'm happy to reengage the conversation since I feel like we are no longer just yelling past each other.
I would hazard a guess that we (my duo and I) fall somewhere around halfway between the players you describe, and your own way. We don't mindlessly ape anything, we just actively look for fights that can be made advantageous. With a drop like i described, there is plenty of time to find sufficiently decent loot from an entire side on a big POI for that first fight, and then it's a matter of making the fight advantageous, whether by some combination of positioning, element of surprise, and armor advantage. For example, if we are rocking white armor and get hit markers on two purples during the poke phase, or if we have lousy weapons and hear them shooting with much better weapons, then the play is to disengage and reposition to avoid the fight altogether or wait to take it on better odds. My bud is quite skilled at making these decisions.
Sometimes you lose this opening fight anyway. Them's the breaks, as they say! Entry cost in gold is low and can easily be regained with one decent game. In my given example, we lost out, but surely had MUCH better chances with a third team mate participating, even if it was just as a distraction and/or meat shield. As I mentioned, we pinged our intentions - they had ample opportunity to communicate that they were going to hide and not take the fight, but chose not to do so. I believe that when you queue with a duo in ranked, the proper approach is to try to play with them unless they are making very stupid decisions.
Here's an example of that: I've seen a clip where a guy told his random duo that they were landing right in between two teams and needed to get out ASAP. He showed them where they could land to loot and be in a good position to third party the other two teams. They ignored him and he let them die and went on to rat for placement. Fair enough, good play by him. But in the comments, some of the players you complain about tried to make him feel like a bad team mate. I thought this guy did the right thing 100%. There is a lot of nuance in this game.
Cheers, man, best of luck in your games!
@pandareno1999
Very well said across the board and nothing there that I disagree with at all.
I think you hit on two things that make our experiences fundamentally different. The kind of communication and no-questions-asked decision making you described can only come from playing with people you know and have played with before. Neither the comms nor the confidence are things that can be found with randoms and that's why I universally treat squadmates as de facto enemies. I wouldn't trust them to know when to pull back or to listen to me if I told them it was the right thing to do, and I certainly wouldn't act as a "distraction/meat shield" for them even though I understand intellectually that there are times when that's the right thing to do. For people I know and trust? Sure. For strangers who will, 97% of the time, make terrible decisions and hang themselves out to dry - and me with them if I allow it? Not on your life. That's the lonely existence of the solo queuer.
When will one or two team mates running off to fight before their third team mate has a gun be penalized?
when will a teammate looting my bin be penalized?
when will teammates be penalized who take two weapons each when the third hasn’t found one yet?
when will a teammate 100 yards away be penalized for calling dibs on something I’m just four yards away from?
when will valks be penalized for not flying us across the map to safety as the ring approaches?
when will a teammate be penalized for racing me to a gun and he was behind me and I didn’t see him racing me?
when will a teammate be penalized for rushing into a fight we aren’t prepped for?
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