why do we need sbmm in pubs when theres ranked?
uhh title says it all why do we need sbmm in pubs when theres ranked?
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Why not?
Ranked has nothing to do with Pub. Ranked is about competitive play. SBMM is about ensuring that your team's general skill level is on par with others so that the group has an equal chance for success. Why would Pub players NOT want SBMM?
Or is the actual concern "Why can't we remove SBMM so I can be put into a Pub game where I can decimate tons of players who are of less skill than I because I don't want a challenge from people similarly-skilled to me and I couldn't give a crap about the enjoyment of a game from other people's POV; as long as I get lots of kills"?
- @Aegis_Kleais That’s how a good SBMM would work. In Apex Legends though, SBMM means being matched with top 300 Apex Predators from the leaderboard.
I mean I finally convinced my friends to download this game because you can rarely ever get teammates that don’t flame and leave the second they get downed, anyway my friends are new to the game and barely know how to shoot, and every team we encountered was playing as if they were competing for a million dollar prizepool. They ended up uninstalling... I'll tell you why pub players DONT WANT SBMM. Go to YouTube and look up Apex ALGS or TSM ImperialHal or Snip3down or SweetDreams or any of those Predator lobby sweats and pay attention to how people play. This is how every pub game goes for people like me. People play like there's thousands of dollars on the line. Every. Single. Game.
You people cannot fathom this because you're not skilled enough to be up in this bracket of SBMM. I cannot stress this enough. Every. Single. Game. Plays like an ALGS tournament.
You wanna talk about having an equal chance to win against everyone? That's because your lobbies are easy and forgiving. You have to hit 30% of your shots to win a gunfight. We have to hit 90% at a bare minimum. If you miss you die. Back to the lobby. And you know what I wouldn't even complain as long as my packet loss didn't spike to 50% for no reason or I wasn't on 150 ping when it says the server is on 23 and I myself am I on 30
@ErectRainbow Honestly if you think that they play pubs like tournaments clearly you don't watch them. Competitive is a completely different story and its difficulty is miles higher than predator ranked or pubs. If someone plays constantly tournaments he goes up against the best of the world, and the best of the world is far better than the high skilled players of Apex. There's nothing you can do against them simply because they're too far ahead of the pack, unless you get a lot better of course.
Don't get me wrong sbmm doesn't work in Apex and it's broken, but asking for its removal is also a bad thing. It'd kill the newbies and people who simply are not that good at the game.
@ErectRainbowI understand how passionate you are about SBMM. I too, am pretty miserable when I play Apex because I’m in the same pubs as you. The algorithm absolutely needs to be tuned and the overall difficulty of these lobbies needs to be decreased.
But I urge you not to look for validation from the forums. By virtue of being a top 100 player, your experience is vastly different from the majority of the community— so although they understand your perspective they don’t realize *understand*;most haven’t felt what it’s like to exclusively drop in lobbies with the top 1%. Most of these people understand how skilled Predators are, but don’t know what a lobby of 85% preds feels like game after game after game.
Then there is the other facet of this which is— people often don’t have sympathy for people who occupy the top of a hierarchy. When a rich person complains about a situation that is unfair to them, people tend not to be terribly concerned. As it applies to gaming, there is a serious stigma associated with skilled players. Even if something unethical was happening to players at the top of the hierarchy, plenty of people wouldn’t care about that issue— and some could even be happy said issue exists, because “screw those no-life players.”
So ultimately, complaints against a system that benefits the largest demographic of a community (low to average skilled players) will often be a lost cause. Online gaming in particular seems to be an industry that is moving towards the implementation of methods aimed at maximizing the experience of the average Joe, even if it places added strain on players who aren’t average.- @Axs5626Sxa5001 If they were really focused on fixing things for the average player in apex things would've been fixed already. Instead every time I load up the game and hop in pubs or my gold ranked lobbies atm, it's nothing but, preds, masters and cheaters. You get the occasional 1 or 2 teams that is stuck in there like you are but, other than that you wait for placement and for the threats to kill eachother off. What are you gonna do though if you make the last 2 squads in that situation? You gonna sit there and actually try to beat a full team of preds with red evos and probably 10 kills or more a piece. Chances are you have blue, maybe purple evos if you're lucky. Might even win if you're lucky as all hell and everything works out but, truth of the matter is that 99x out of 100 an average skilled player is not winning those and apex refuses to either acknowledge that it's a major problem or refuses to fix it even though they full well know it is. Question is do they know and not care or do they really not realize how bad it is right now daily for the average skilled player in pubs? Idk about everyone else but, me personally; I don't think they care about anyone except pros and their precious ranked mode that keeps them as pros. If they did care about the average player then they would fix the cheating, the sbmm, the smurfing to some degree and overall that they'd stop listening to the stupid pros who just wanna w key everything and stop nerfing everything into the ground just bc a pro said it was "op". I will say the spitfire nerf was justified and called for by the entire community, honestly I think they still need to tweak it a bit more but, some nerfs recently have been super harmful to the average player who can't just point their gun and melt somebody and that's more what I'm getting at with that. We'll see if they actually adress things in season 10 bc it's less than 20 days away at this point.
