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*******Big premise, I'm only talking about pubs*******
Were MM better at matching players then it would be a whole different issue.
Since MM prioritizes speed over match, it often happens that team play is non existent.
I cannot carry my team mates, match after match for hours, because MM places me with 2 lvl 20, continuously, who have a collective of 6 hours in the game. Nor should players be expected to do penance, because MM offers you a bad deal in order to prioritize speed over quality. Mind you, I'm fine with speed MM as long as I can leave a bad match.
I'm fine with stretching a bit too. But when the stretch is too large, I break. Everyone has a breaking point, even pros, and I am not even remotely close to what you would call a pro. LOLOLOLOLOL
There are players that I am unable, not unwilling, and I mean it literally unable to carry for whatever reason. In those instances I cherish the "right to leave".
It is a thing to make a mistake, even multiple times and learn from it, it is another to know that you are making a mistake and be forced into it.
Sure I could just stay back and let them die, but then what would the difference be?
You do not know for sure why players leave. An emergency? Because there is no comms? Because there is too much comm? Noise? There are a thousand reasons why.
For me personally, the reason for leaving are strictly related to playstyle. If they are too passive and do not take fights at all, or shoot only from a mile away with an SMG, I'm outta there. Sorry, but that type of playstyle tells me they will not do much to help, other than just shooting randomly in the direction enemies are.
If they drop hot along with other 7 teams, have no voice comm, do not answer questions about their stats, again, I'm sorry I'll leave.
No, I do not know what percentage of trios become duos --I have not seen any official stats for it. In my experience people leave when they do not believe the team has a chance of making it once the leaver himself is reduced to a box. Not knocked only, but boxed up. And most of the times they are correct, virtually always.
I would completely remove stats for pubs only. I mean what do we need stats for in pubs other than MM? Pubs stats should be hidden, and for MM use only.
If you want your stats visible, then earn them in Ranked. Just my opinion.
@Vdstrk I said before that i do not blame people for leaving in some extreme cases. And no there's no official stats, but seeing my experience, streamers on twitch, and hearing out some friends i can say that it's a common issue.
You said you can't carry newbies. Fair enough, but doing this you'll never give the chance to them to actually improve in the game. How do they feel when they see the third more experienced guy leave just because they are noobs? It's not even their fault, they need time to improve. I actually like playing with newbies and being the IGL with them because usually they listen to the more experienced players. They are not the issue. I'll not blame them simply because they can't shoot, what do you expect lol. If most of the people think like you, then noobs will remain forever noobs because they can't rely on a ingame guide.
- Vdstrk5 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Cro_Pittt
Good point. How do they feel? I do not know. I wish they had comms to begin with, I would have at least heard what they were thinking. That would change the situation from leaving with no hope, to, "they are trying their best, let's see if they can make it"?
Comms are their prerogative. But I cannot jump to conclusions on how they feel based on the absence of any hint about it.Eh. I cannot say for sure what would they end up being, if they will or not learn the game. There are several resources. Unless I'm specifically asked to share what I do/know, I keep it to myself. And then again, what guarantees are there to say that what I do in game is what is correct?
I'm sorry, but I am not good enough to carry 2 players to victory, how am I expected to be the one teaching them?
- 5 years ago
@Vdstrk Uh they are newbies right? They still don't know that comms are crucial in Apex. You can also teach that, and use the ping system which is quite useful in the game (fortunately). But seeing this conversation we both will not change our opinion so fair enough, we agree to disagree.🙂
- Vdstrk5 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Cro_Pittt
Agree. One game, 2 games, ... .n games. Then enough is enough.By any means not accusing you of anything. Sorry if you feel that way.
I strongly believe in giving it a try. However, after a bit, you kinda start seeing a pattern.
Like, hot dropping among 7 teams... Try comms, nothing, try pinging another spot, nothing. Press E and drop elsewhere near by, no one follows.
Team mates are insta killed. Out of guilt I go to get their banner and I'm insta killed.
How many times do I need to see this situation happening before it is clear that 90% of the times this happens TO ME, it ends up in frustration? 90% is confidence enough for me to take a chance and leave.
ME SPECIFICALLY. I look around while dropping and tell to what looks like no one that there are n team around. If it is only one or 2 I take my chances, if are like 4 or more, I leave if they do not change where they drop.
- 5 years ago@Cro_Pittt No Man. Its Respawns fault for their matchmaking system. They should put those noobs against people their skill lvl not with a lvl 500 expecting to babysit match after match, im tired of lvl 20 teammates, i want to have fun and be actually a bit competitive in some matches at least im not wasting my gaming time to get forever killed in first fights cause bot teammates
- 5 years ago
Simple answer: fear of losing money.
cheaters don’t buy things and drive people out of games and aren’t as big a percentage of the players. Leavers is likely a huge number of people and some of them do buy quite a lot I imagine.
nothing but my own supposition to back this but I think it’s pretty obvious that after 2 years Apex supports and encourages people to leave any game they want including in ranked.
My advice is instead of hating it, even if it’s terrible sportsmanship, get into it. Leave often. Leave just to leave. Leave when there’s no good reason to.
Maybe if it gets to be a big enough problem Respawn will at least stop giving prizes and rewards to leavers. Or maybe not. Either way, leave, leave and leave again.