Forum Discussion
@XHelperZI'm not for enforcing any playstyle. I mix it up. Hot dropping is fine.
Exactly as you mentioned - there's no backfill, so just DC'ing immediately screws your squad and then their experience playing the game. And it's not like there is no alternative - If you want to queue in fast, hot drop in the biggest fire rinse & repeat fine. Queue solo. They're not playing as a team anyways.
I feel the opposite - if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad.
10 minute ban from matches would seriously curtail the practice. Permanent ban number could be higher, a number like 20 is pretty forgiving.
"if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad."
If you're checking the box to fill squadmates it's because you're not willing to wait 10 minutes for a match.
And careful with the whole "consenting to play as a squad" thing. That means different things to different people and you might easily find yourself the object of someone else's ire for a failure to imagine the game as they imagine it.
I would be the poster boy for this. As an experienced player who solo queues and most commonly is matched with seven year-old children who have 50 matches under their belt and the youthful assurance that they know everything there is to know about the game... I'm sure I could make a very legitimate case against each and every one of them for "not playing as a team," "for engaging in foolish, high-risk behavior," "for recklessly endangering themselves and their squadmates," and just generally "for not playing properly (meaning, the way I play)." Should I advocate for getting them all banned? Should they all sit a corner for ten minutes to think about what they did? I don't think so. They should get on with their lives. As should we all. With our casual, un-ranked, free-to-play game.
"10 minute ban from matches would seriously curtail the practice." Maybe, maybe not. It might just cause them to stay and screw with you in other ways out of spite. It might cause them to tiktok for 10 minutes and then repeat. It might cause the game to lose half its population. Let's face it: quitters buy things in the store just like everyone else.
And finally: if your jumpmaster chooses an LZ that you know is just plain dumb then you should break off. Period. Stop enabling that kind of stupidity. Whether they quit when downed is beside the point. Every time experienced teammates go along with a bad jumpmaster they send him the message that what he's doing is okay. And it isn't.
- hayhor3 years agoHero
@reconzeroI play no fill all the time. I never have a 10 minute wait for a queue. The longest it goes is 2 or 3 minutes usually. If you queue with a team and do your own thing the majority of the time while being annoyed I say just no fill.
- reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@hayhor
You've had better luck than I have. No-fill matchmaking for me is a pretty long and drawn-out affair.
I definitely queue with a squad, and I definitely do my own thing, but I don't find it frustrating for myself, per se. I find it frustrating for them - watching them make incredible rotation and position mistakes, obviously believing that they have to go wherever the circle pushes them, and wondering all the while when their awol #3 is going to get himself killed. They always die first. Always. And I feel bad, but I'm not a life coach. I can only lead by example.- hayhor3 years agoHero@reconzero The time to find a match when no filling depends on the time of day. If I queue on NA at 8 am eastern it will take forever. But any peak time I find games fairly quickly or at least quick enough for me.
- Lord_Scorpion343 years agoLegend
@hayhor wrote:@reconzeroI play no fill all the time. I never have a 10 minute wait for a queue. The longest it goes is 2 or 3 minutes usually. If you queue with a team and do your own thing the majority of the time while being annoyed I say just no fill.
Obviously this is not an option in ranked 😅
- hayhor3 years agoHero@Lord_Scorpion34 If it was I'd probably play it.
- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@reconzero wrote:
@Gator762FMJ
"if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad."
If you're checking the box to fill squadmates it's because you're not willing to wait 10 minutes for a match.
And careful with the whole "consenting to play as a squad" thing. That means different things to different people and you might easily find yourself the object of someone else's ire for a failure to imagine the game as they imagine it.Yeah, the matchmaking complaint that @Gator762FMJ has comes from the same root cause as you and I have noted in the past - the Matchmaking doesn't consider preferred play style at all. And I assume it never will because of they way they gather and sort matchmaking data surely doesn't factor in a desire to play it slow and careful vs W-Key Leroy Jenkins plays.
The solution to this issue, as noted, would be for each account to have a screen were they can fill out matchmaking preferences. It would have questions like,
- 'Hot Drop'?
- Aggressive?
- Stealthy?
- Careful?
- Long Range engagements
- Mid Range engagements
- Short Range engagements
- Loot then Fight?
- Prefer Kills over Placement?
And each would have a yes/no setting you could toggle. Then you can leave it, or change it up here and there based on what you are looking for.
Then, the matchmaking would, also considering your SBMM stats, consider these answers to try to squad you up with like minded players.
If they actually did this, I might consider coming back.- Zulkiers3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Kyldenarsounds nice
I prefer late drops, away from the bloodbath.
Gather gear then get ready for whatever may happen.
Use critters as target practice, EVO shield levelling, and crafting material income.
Hit certain areas for summoning gold gear bubbles.
Max out Longbow and armor.
Get an L-star.
Make ambushes.
Find hiding spots so you can respawn your ally in duos 3 times, collect their banner again, then get plastered trying to get closer to the respawn beacon because you are 285 meters of 200 from the beacon, and the final squad is between you and the beacon. As Crypto, mostly using the drone.
That was yesterday.
But yes, late drop, stealth, and sniping are my playstyle. - 3 years ago@Kyldenar Bro, what do you actually want from Apex? TBH you seem miserable with this game? A lot of suggestions/issues - correct me if I am wrong, but man, it seems like it is driving you crazy? Like what is the core issue that is making you so miserable? Dude, it is just a game. Let it go. Move on. You wanna beat players - the answer is accuracy. Practice 1v1 or aim trainer. It's simple. You don't want to? Then don't complain. Sorry, but my goodness, not everything is the fault of the developer because of your experience. If you were a Masters of Diamond level player already with this complaint I would understand, but you are not. And they don't owe you a special experience just for playing. Like why do you think that way?
Dude, I am not fighting with you, but my goodness, are you listening to yourself? You want SIMILAR skill? That means for every headshot you give you will receive....? It's crazy. You will still complain about the same issue. And like you said - games that do not cater to the lower end will die yet here you are, playing it....and complaining about it. If you are so against it, vote with your time, it is your most precious commodity.- reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Unitee01
I don't mean to step in here and speak for @Kyldenar, but I would like to say something on the subject:
"You want SIMILAR skill? That means for every headshot you give you will receive....?"
I don't think that is what "similar skill" means at all. It's one particular thing that it COULD mean, but not what any of us is talking about when we say we'd like tighter matchmaking. I don't think anyone is talking about getting 50/50 matches, or 50/50 engagements, or a 1.0 k/d. We all understand that everyone dies in shooters, especially in battle royale. It isn't the dying that people object to. It's the nature of the deaths. I know the difference between a poke fight with a guy whose aim is on par with mine, and a fight where if I stick my head 1 centimeter over the wall I lose my shield and 70% of my health in 0.4 seconds from a pair of 301 shooters who are a football field away. One of these opponents is in my neighborhood, the other two are not. Facing off against opponents with laser-like aim does not, contrary to popular opinion, make you a better player, improve your own aim, or motivate a normal player to want to work harder at improving. It breeds suspicion, feeds conspiracy theories, and frustrates people who question whether what just happened to them is even possible within the limits of game physics and weapon mechanics.
ALL THAT ASIDE: He never said "similar skill." He said "similar playstyle." Which, imo, is a pretty good idea.
- Frankencooler3 years agoSeasoned Rookie@Kyldenar I totally agree and would be more than happy with simply 'Hot Drop: Yes or No."
- HappyHourSumwur3 years agoSeasoned Ace@reconzero On that last point I would if I felt like I had any chance in this game as a solo or even a duo in Trios, but I don't.
- reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@HappyHourSumwur
I'm not trying to suggest that you'll win tons of trios matches without squadmates. But you can win some of them. And the ones you don't win are, like any match, a learning experience. But the first step is to completely rework your playstyle and match goals, at least for matches without squadmates. You have to "rat," as the fools call it. It's derogatory shorthand for "play smarter, more cautiously, and avoid fights until they're unavoidable." It's 99% position based, and 1% gun skills based. Not something most players have the patience for, but it will harden you in ways that pay off later, even when you have a full team. Food for thought.- Zulkiers3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@reconzeroI do that all the time. I prefer stealth over bloodbath. I have one of those device/internet setups that are trash for competitive gameplay and it tends to cost me dearly in full on fights.
I take great sniper positions and I can deal plenty of damage while my city-dwelling allies go in and finish them off.
I'm rural, I live in the woods. Best plan available out here is 15Mb DSL. Can't wait for the Gb-Fiber in over two years.
Anyways, I rely on my allies to win. I can do well with snipers but close quarters is a meat grinder against me.
Lately though, I've found I'm better at jumping in with NewCastle to keep my allies alive or revive them in the midst of battle.
Jump on them with Castle Wall, deploy that drone, start reviving, and they can touch us unless they bust one of the 3 corners of my setup that's protecting us as I revive my ally. Be it a portion of Castle Wall, some of my drone's shield, or my revive shield.
So some of the issues some people may experience is about the tech a person has or is available to them. Like mine. Until more is available for my area there's nothing I can do about it.
Where was I going with this?... ...
Oh right. Stealth has lead me to victory, or at least close to, several times. Bloodbath always limits me to 16th or less.
So should Bloodbath lovers and stealth lovers que together or separate?
Together, as is now, broods a lot of hate. Separate would make it more enjoyable, as bloodbath lovers wouldn't ruin the game for the stealth lovers.
About Apex Legends General Discussion
Recent Discussions
- 5 hours ago