A lot of apex streamers (on pc) appear to have ZERO recoil on some of the hardest to control guns, anyone with an objective eye can see they are not even fighting the recoil on cam/hand cam, The bullet stream is also landing in such a tight grouping its (imho) a recoil script to make the gun literally a laserIf Respawn is allowing streamers to use anti recoil scripting without punishment, they need to put a stop to it, as im sure many people will notice the lack of recoil on their streams and make or download scripts to do it themselves.

The point is, no human can counter the recoil exactly (all the time), to make the bullet stream land in a tight group, its just statistically impossible, you'd have to hit all the right corrections at the right time to make the gun completely dampened and no one can do it over and over again repeatedly, as a great majority of streamers seem to be doing several streamers do a great job controlling the recoil, its actually quite noticeable in comparison to those who use scripts to those who don't, when you see a tactically good gamer vs a gamer whose scripting, their play styles differ greatly, those who use the anti recoil scripts seem to brute force encounters, relying on landing more shots than the other team, over out playing the other team with tactics and strategy as most gamers are forced to do since they will not land every shot, to guarantee a knock it just seems that if Respawn or even EasyAntiCheat will not detect or punish use of these scripts, its going to simply be par for the course eventually for every gamer that wants to compete and win

I want to capture some of the streamers, make a highlight and then do some editing to show how the guns have ZERO recoil, and submit it to EasyAntiCheat and see them do nothing about it..I doubt anyone in Respawn cares about these streamers cheating.

@TrancyGooseFlatline is intentionally impossible to control, side to side (horizontal) recoil cant be counteracted shot by shot perfectly, atleast without smacking your mouse or stick in a way that makes it look like Michael J. Fox got his * stuck in a power outlet. Which is clearly not the case for some streamers.

There is plenty of ways to cheats even on Lan tournaments.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z-kmSF5QxkDid you think this was his first tournament that he was cheating? Fliusha was cheating for sure as well. And many more, and this in CS:GO.Using macro/script is way easier and harder to detect.

@Renegade_Prime86Third party hardware/software is most of the issue. On console it's a big problem, bigger than most people can see or admit because it's only present when you do well in matches and consistently survive longer. The longer you live, the more damage you do, the more you'll ge matched with cheaters via the game's rigorous SBMM.CronusMax, XIM, strike packs, mouse & keyboard, etc etc.. There are tonnes of ways people cheat on console, and they actively do it on Apex. It is currently, without a doubt, the single worst game I've ever played for cheating. I save clips all the time of teams mowing me down, and I spectate them to find that their recoil doesn't exist on any gun, not even 1mm variation.The issue is, the developers:1) Keep quiet on the issue and don't acknowledge it2) Have removed all methods of reporting players on PS43) Are profiting from the cheaters buying skins and streaming, so they probably want it to happen by this pointSo people like myself and millions of others (whether they know it or not) are getting shafted every game by little lowlife gimps with their cheats, streaming and boasting about their false 20-kill badges, teabagging deathboxes despite killing people with anti-recoil mods allowing for laserbeam accuracy, and there is sweet FA that we can do about it but come here and cry salty tears :')It's a horrow show, the saddest state of affairs in gaming in a long time.

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GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
@Vulcannis AutoHotKey scripts man. The illusion of skill. It is undetectable for those running the script that hides the script.

It is obvious when you see it in use.
Sp4ceb4lls
6 years ago
They should block any type of autohotkey scripts from interfering with the source engine also macros, I see streamers using pathfinder grapple never ever miss the grapple + space jump ...
Wingmannedbro
6 years ago
Yeah it's pretty obvious when you see them shoot a Devotion, this is also why they don't use meta guns like G7, makes it too obvious.
PC crowd has turned into a bad joke, and the PC scene is corrupted because they allow streamers to cheat in multitudes of ways. Back when commands were in the game these guys were casually uploading footage of themselves where they had removed muzzleflash almost completely. Mendo had a video how to do that and what exact settings he used.
Nobody ever got banned. This is why I respect Epic Games all the more. They actually bann people for cheating, also if they're "influencers" who are signed with Faze clan or not.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
6 years ago
@Vulcannis I do question it occasionally, but I will admit I’m getting good at controlling the recoil on the devotion. The R-99 is a work in progress.

I will also admit i have had it seem like I’m a master at controlling recoil.. how ever, i just get lucky with the player movement and me trying to track them.. it leads to it looking like I’m controlling recoil, when in reality I’m just getting lucky with my attempts to control it.
Vulcannis
6 years ago
The point is, no human can counter the recoil exactly (all the time), to make the bullet stream land in a tight group, its just statistically impossible, you'd have to hit all the right corrections at the right time to make the gun completely dampened and no one can do it over and over again repeatedly, as a great majority of streamers seem to be doing
several streamers do a great job controlling the recoil, its actually quite noticeable in comparison to those who use scripts to those who don't, when you see a tactically good gamer vs a gamer whose scripting, their play styles differ greatly, those who use the anti recoil scripts seem to brute force encounters, relying on landing more shots than the other team, over out playing the other team with tactics and strategy as most gamers are forced to do since they will not land every shot, to guarantee a knock
it just seems that if Respawn or even EasyAntiCheat will not detect or punish use of these scripts, its going to simply be par for the course eventually for every gamer that wants to compete and win
-BiA-Pesqez
6 years ago
Epic Games deserves respect for their anti-cheat work. EA/Respawn is simply worst in class. This is intolerable as they are a massive company with loads of money, sales and competent people.
Vulcannis
6 years ago
I want to capture some of the streamers, make a highlight and then do some editing to show how the guns have ZERO recoil, and submit it to EasyAntiCheat and see them do nothing about it..

I doubt anyone in Respawn cares about these streamers cheating.
TrancyGoose
6 years ago
I have seen a streamer land straight shots with a flatline, and that thing kicks back like crazy ...
It does seem odd that they are able to land stuff so grouped sometimes with 0 attachments.
That is insane, as I love Flatline, but struggle to control it, and it does not have a barrel mod ....
GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
@TrancyGoose Any gun with no scope yet they can see and follow the target perfectly often times outside the range. When you know the game mechanics and how hard it is to manually control the recoil "perfectly" all you need to know is they are probably running a AHK script.
TheJumpingJawa
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
Random recoil; (scripting) problem solved.
Still doesn't fix the myriad of other cheats, but at least it'd raise the bar a little.