Before this update when I'm in a jet or helicopter I can somewhat isolate another aircraft and have a dogfight/duel. Now, when I'm in a turn battle or duel I have multiple miniguns from the Condor/Hind chipping away at me with nothing I can do. I can maybe get away if I'm in the F35 since the Hind can't fly that fast but when I'm in the SU-57 I literally have Condors chase me around the entire map for the entirety of the game. This of course was possible before the update, but because most people chose the nightbird getting chased was a rare occurrence. Now that the Condor/Hind (mostly the Condor) is its own category? Literally every game that I managed to get into an aircraft, which isn't often because of how many players there are and how few vehicles there are, I have to deal with this crap. Can someone please explain to me why a supersonic jet with top speed over 1300 MPH in real life cannot outpace a glorified Osprey? And that their miniguns seemingly have less spread and more range than the cannons of the jet? Or the fact that all aircraft have the exact flight ceiling?

@CPT_GASLIGHT If 5 people are operating an air vehicle and work together they should blast your *, that’s all there is to it.The same is possible with the scout since 2 guys outside can also repair or shoot AA rockets if proberly alligned.Same can be said about tanks or Wildcat, even the recon or hovercraft.The dominating Force in a Game about war which can be balanced is and should always be the Teamwork, not some hierarchy of vehicles.You are just mad that there is one more counter to you which destroys your easymode AGM spam and your reaction proves that.That’s all there is to it.

@CPT_GASLIGHT yeah… you say that now that you don’t mind agmsIn Reality it was the first thing you equiped since you unlocked it and never changed it since becouse of its ridiculous power of destroying ground vehicles in a matter of seconds with absolutely no skill involved.Operating successfully an hind/condor effective takes for sure more skill than your circle jerking jet gameplay since an hind/condor have much more threaths do deal with, especially the Wildcat and it’s 60mm flak weapon that can almost instantly kill the 2 repair guys becouse of splash damage and deals serious damage to the vehicle.In Addition to being constantly getting locked, most of the times by soflam users there are potentially + 40 enemys who could easely destroy.As jetpilot you have none of that, the only enemy is the other jet and if he is gone you can destroy any groundvehicles at whim, no Stinger, soflam, m5 combo, basicaly every infantry given AA option will never reach you or can considered to be a threath, the only exslception would be the Wildcat if it wouldn’t get so easely destroyed by c5 drones, squirrels with c5 or jet agms if he can’t locate the jet fast enough.In one match I gathered almost 4K repairs on a tank becouse he got harassed all the time by jet agms.Every 10 seconds 2 agms which brought him everytime down to 20% hp left but enough time for the repairtool to repair it back up to 100% before the next set of agms where incoming.Nowhere to hide becouse of flat, open surfaces most of the time,constantly some function errors on the tower of the tank where he cant look arround, constantly disabled on the tank chains so he couldn’t even move away.You jet pilots don’t seem to realize what ground has to deal with and pathetic whining over one additional source that CAN kill jets is cringeworthy.That’s all there is to it.Continue getting mad, if my friends play we go jet hunting, even spare the scout helis if they are not to annoying.

Not only that, but putting the littlebird in the attack catagory without an AA missle makes any dogfighting completely boring af. They still didn't nerf the transport condor/hind at all.

Are you seriously comparing the engagement capabilities of a jet to a tank?

@Psubond it's flawed. The SU-57 now have to worry about the Condor, but the F-35 still easy peasy. Plus it's not a transport vehicle job to do anything about aircraft 🤐They need to remove the AGM from the aircraft. It's harsh but i don't see any other option.Aircraft are here for sky control, and attack that Helicopters. That themselves attack the ground vehicles, that themselves attack infantry. It create a logic chain.And to avoid a complete sky dominance that would make things a nightmare for a team, there is one ground vehicle that can have his word to say on the sky, the EBAA, but as both team have this option it keep the balance and logic chain

Air combat has been irrevocably broken with this update (condor/hind are OP)

41 Replies

AuMordum
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
Not only that, but putting the littlebird in the attack catagory without an AA missle makes any dogfighting completely boring af. They still didn't nerf the transport condor/hind at all.
Noodlesocks
4 years ago
Haven't had a problem with them myself but I do think MAV should be moved to transport instead of heavy armour to balance out the vehicle distribution.
I do feel Jet AA could be improved in general though. They're pretty bad at it.
rainkloud
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
This was a problem before the update as well. The Condor has good speed and the miniguns are free moving and have very good damage drop off so you can perform air superiority against jets. It's an easy fix too, just slightly slow it down and increase the damage drop off on the mini guns.
Game is beyond salvageable at this point though. They should have just stuck skeleton crew on it and focused on next game.
AngrySquid270
4 years ago
Why should air vehicles have an expectation of clean 1v1 engagements at their choosing? It's a 128p (or 64p) game.
I'm sure there's a lot of tankers out there who wanted to enjoy a 1v1 tank battle but got interrupted by some heli/jet.
CPT_GASLIGHT
4 years ago
Are you seriously comparing the engagement capabilities of a jet to a tank?
VRACinque
4 years ago
Well the problem is that there is not enough order / logic / hierarchy between vehicles.
They went and gave everything to everybody. Every air vehicle can have AA / AG capacity. Transport vehicle are beyond way to armed.
If they approached things with logic it would be this way :
GROUND
Light Transport / too well armed right now
- LATV4 RECON
- LCAA Hovercraft
Transport / good as it is right now
- MAV
Tanks / good as it right now
- T28
- M1A5
Anti Air / good as it is right now (or OP because the AT missile ?)
- EBAA Wildcat
(to be honest this M5C Bolte is a piece of garbage straight from Fast and Furious 8, this has nothing to do in a BF)
AERIAL
Light Transport /
- NOTHING
Would have been nice a minigun only (or side gunner) version of the Nightbird for that
Transport / unbalanced
- Condor , horizontal speed make him OP and unbalanced compared to Hind
- Hind
Light Attack / OP, remove the AGM and propose a second set of Rocket less effective against infantry but better against vehicles
- Nightbird
Attack / good as it right now
- AH-64
- KA-520
Air Superiority / remove the AGM
- F35
- SU_57
This way
- Ground transport and tanks fight each others
--> helicopters attack ground vehicles
--> Anti Air defend against helicopters and combat tanks too
--> Aircraft attack helicopters and fight each other for sky control
chrilsc
4 years ago
AA Tank's 20mm just like a shxt...

Hard to kill soldier and any air vehicle.
VRACinque
4 years ago
@chrilsc
if you speak about the EBAA it's a .30 the smallest, only go up.
And well can't tell for AOW, always in Portal for HC. But i have a nice collection of air vehicles shot thanks to this little baby.
Psubond
Legend
4 years ago
they will probably nerf condor speed at some point, but i think it's good that jets can't just keep doing AGM runs and be nearly impossible to shoot down due to their speed and flares. now they have something to worry about
VRACinque
4 years ago
@Psubond it's flawed.
The SU-57 now have to worry about the Condor, but the F-35 still easy peasy. Plus it's not a transport vehicle job to do anything about aircraft 🤐
They need to remove the AGM from the aircraft. It's harsh but i don't see any other option.
Aircraft are here for sky control, and attack that Helicopters. That themselves attack the ground vehicles, that themselves attack infantry. It create a logic chain.
And to avoid a complete sky dominance that would make things a nightmare for a team, there is one ground vehicle that can have his word to say on the sky, the EBAA, but as both team have this option it keep the balance and logic chain