Battlefield Core Feedback - Maps - Feedback Thread

• Which maps presently provide a poor opening experience because of the location of the Base Spawn? 
  • All of them.  I can't think of a single one that doesn't involve significant running and to get into a vehicle I have to be at the mercy of a driver.  I can't just choose to spawn in one.  
• Which maps are making it harder to get back into the fight in an all cap scenario?
  All of the rooftop objectives.  The A flags on Hourglass.  B flag on Renewal.  F Flags on Breakway.  E Flags on Breakway.  The rocket ship on Orbital.  Spawn flags on Discarded.  
  
  
• How do you feel about the current balance between Infantry and Vehicles in Breakthrough?
  Its abysmal.  The game right now is a farming simulator for Helo pilots.  Armor is for the most part ineffective too.  The three biggest reasons I don't play this game are: vehicle balance, flag design, and no option to turn PC crossplay off, in that order.  
  
  
• Have you played 64 player Breakthrough, and do you feel that this is the better way to experience the mode?
  128 breakpoint is unplayable.  Its poorly designed.  The concept of breakthrough was not going to work as a 128.  You have a linear layout so you're generally forcing 128 to focus on a space that's about the same regardless of player count size.  You'd have to fundamentally change the way breakthrough worked at the 128 level to make it work.  Perhaps three objectives with a horizontal attack plan and the attacking forces have to take two of the three.  
  
  
• On which maps and Flags do you see the most immediate need for more line of sight blockers?
  Overall, the flag design and placement needs some tactical thought into its design.  Would I want to defend this position?  Does this position have any tactical advantages?  There doesn't seem to be any thought like that in this games flag design.  There are a couple of them that are either shooting bowls or just flat ground.  
  
  For the breakthrough game mode the answer is every flag on every map with possible exception of Manifest.  There is absolutely no reason to fight over them.  You just have to be on them long enough and hope you don't get shot.  The spawn system is detrimental to gameplay for breakthrough.  On BF1 if you held an objective but it was being contested you normally started about 90 meters away.  In V and 2042 you've upped that to about 125 meters.  Additionally, you often place a major terrain obstacle in the way of path to the flag.  For example, on the final objective for breakaway you have to ride a zip line up to get on the flag when you ask to spawn on it.  All of this means you can't fight over the flag and because you can't spawn on your squad mates on the objective (they're constantly in combat) you're forced to spawn away from the flag.    
  
  Conquest has a lot of the same problems as breakthrough but some of the worst flags.  D on Hourglass, C on hourglass, the ground flag in the towers on hourglass.  A3 on breakaway.  B2 on discarded (the one that's a tower and a transformer.  Just get rid of it).  Any flag that has environmental objectives that can kill you, needs to go (with the exception of the oil tanks).  That design choice was so bad it feels like you intentionally didn't want us playing on the flags.  The cooling systems and the transformers that blow up are just moronic design choices.  There isn't enough cover on the flags to begin with and you chose to hazards right on the cover. 
  
  
• Do you have specific areas on maps that currently stand out to you as lacking cover?
  Most the flags, all of the map Hourglass.   Even the maps that have cover at ground level, most of them don't have overhead cover.
  
  
• Do you have thoughts on how we can better define traveling paths between objectives to keep combat focused?
  You need to shorten the distance between objectives.  Create multiple paths to objectives that offer limited exposure from all angles.  More transport vehicles that are actually transport vehicles.  They should spawn when you take a flag.  You will have to have less air to ground or ground to ground lock on rockets in vehicles if you're going to increase transport vehicles.    
  
  
• Do you see improvement opportunities to make it easier to understand how to get from one objective to the next?
  Offer overheard cover.  People will pick up on that very quickly.  

i think these are all good changes, i feel like map design is just one of the big reasons this game hasnt been doing well, its also missing atmosphere that previous games had, but that may be due to how the maps are designed to be "the beginning of the war" 

we need more infantry based maps aswell, just smaller, close range maps with little to no vehicles like locker or metro or even zavod 311.

something unrelated to maps but i think everyone agrees with is to bring weapons over from portal and modernize them for 2042s setting, it would be nice to have just a few more weapons before season 1 if its possible.

i would aslo love to have a basic soldier "specialist" who can choose 2 gadgets instead of having to pick a specialist it would give players much more freedom.

i would love to see this game make a comeback and i hope the whole team takes our advice to heart, it means so much to the fans of this franchise just to be listened to and see the team learn from past experience to make the next game evem better!

On Kaleidoscope: how about having the possibility of one of the several skyscrapers on the map get destroyed like the BF4 Siege of Shanghai tower dynamically to change the layout of the map ?

Please do not remove 128 player Breakthrough. It is intense and chaotic but that’s why it’s fun. I love BF2042 and play almost everyday but that’s the only game mode I play. The 64 player version is ok but it’s just not the same and honestly if the 128 player version is removed I will stop playing.

If the real reason its being removed is because the player counts are too low please re-add it if and when the players eventually come back.

I think a major area that is lacking cover is on Renewal right after you cross the wall with those super massive grass plains and farms between the objectives. The farms and plains between objectives and from the wall to objectives are way to open.
Also I would say the first sector on Orbital has on both sides have a poor base spawn, especially on the attacking side. It’s too far away and can take upward of 5 minutes running to an objective, and the distance between objectives is too far as well.

On the first sector on breakaway the cover between the first objective and the second also has little cover, making everyone bunch up behind the little cover that there is. Not to mention the entire frozen lake also is lacking cover for infantry and is dominated by Bolte’s.

On hourglass the entire second sector (the large one with the 3 objectives) overall has poor cover, not only is the distance between all 3 objectives massive but the cover is almost none. It’s just sand dunes with the occasional house with no furniture on the inside. (Additionally there should be furniture inside all houses and buildings). So tanks, and helicopters dominate infantry when traversing between objectives because the sand dunes provide almost no cover at all. 
On Discarded the base spawn on the first sector is horrible. Not only is it super far away from both objectives running toward either objective has literally no cover. It’s just a flat field and the distances to both objectives are massive making it a snipers dream. There needs to be 2 base spawns, (one for the top objective and one for the bottom) and they both need to be much closer to both objectives. And there needs to be more cover to get to both objectives rather than just a field. This arguably is one of the worst sectors for attackers.

Thanks for taking the time to read my submission, just my personal annoyances about the map design. 🙂

Thanks that you finally take care of some of the most severe issues with the game.

One feedback that i can give you: smoke. Two smoke grenades are not enough to push. Even if you carry an ammo crate, the third will bring your push maybe over quarte to half a distance.

Also the pop off time takes way too long. Having something like maybe 4 smoke grenades can help alot to your repositioning. We tried this in a custom portal mode with up to 6 smokes (which was a bit too much for me)

OK this is going to be a long one because I feel this game has greatly underdelivered.

A few disclaimers

1. I only play on PS5 

2. I only play Breakthrough 128 players. Conquest is too much running around for my liking. (My mainstay for past Battlefield games has been TDM because I just prefer CQC infantry combat without having vehicles harass you lol. Please add TDM to the main AOW section as a server browser option: Portal TDM is dead) 

3. I play mainly infantry with the occasional trip on the tank when I feel like I need an ego trip haha! I can't fly planes or jets for some reason 🤷‍♂️

OK so here goes:

1. With regards to Base Spawn I think almost all the maps provide a poor opening experience (Breakthrough) because you have to travel a fair distance to get to the first point. This is mostly only an issue for me when I'm playing as the attacker. When you're defending it's ok.

However the worst offenders here are Manifest which has a stupid water bit I ALWAYS fall into (as an attacker). Then you have to find the ladder to get out. It just annoys me. Yes I should be more careful but if the route was shorter then I would not habe to worry about said water pit. Lol.

Orbital has a fairly lengthy Base to flag run (again attacking).

2. I think the balance between infantry and vehicles is fine. But I do feel like helicopter respawns should be increased. There's far too many of those rascals in the sky to evade especially as there is less cover in these maps. Maybe add more cover in open sections so that infantry are not easy targets. 

3. Yes I have played 64 player Breakthrough but in all honesty I find 128 player better because the maps are so big. The only benefit I see of 64 players is the better framerate which makes sense as there is less going on. If only 128 was as smooth as an experience, because I do get some low framerates especially when big explosions go off. Please do not get rid of 128 players. Maybe just find a way to make it a smoother experience graphically. I appreciate it will be a demanding task but this is what we have come to expect when purchasing next gen consoles.

4. Wrt line of sight blockers is totally not an issue on Manifest - in fact I feel it's quite the opposite - far too many containers, it's like a maze sometimes. It's also my least favourite map because it's dark and dingy. Maybe have the option to make it daytime map too so that it feels more like Noshar Canals.

If we're talking specifically about Flags on Breakthrough, I think for the most part there is enough cover around them. It's the areas away from the flags that are more troublesome. I've never had a moment in Breakthrough where I've felt like capping a flag was a nightmare

5. All maps except Manifest lack cover in certain areas. The centre section of Kaleidoscope, the first sector in Breakaway, the area near flag A on Orbital (first sector), really open grassy area. Yes it has troughs and hilly bits but very little in the way of cover. I think when it comes to cover from infantry the maps are OK, but the problem in Breakthrough (and maybe Conquest) is the lack of cover from vehicles, especially air vehicles. The first sector in Renewal between flag A and B has little in the way of cover,. Ok it has a rocky areas but no cover from air vehicles. The same goes for the third sector when you enter the green area from the desert area. The area before attacking the objectives in that sector is very open green area where the crop-watering machines are.

6. It would be nice to have like quadbikes or bikes scattered across maps to get from one flag to the next. Like the tuktuk on Kaleidoscope. Add something like that on other maps. 

I'm sure I have forgotten some points and not answered all of the questions you have asked but here are some additional comments not related to the questions but I feel I very important and need to addressed in order to make it feel like a Battle game.

1. Please bring back more destruction. This is what makes Battlefield the game it is. I understand it's 2042 and building may be tougher (lol) but you can do it. I want to be able to destroy a house with my rocket launcher. 

Talking of houses, I feel like the current maps are too industrial. Like launch pads, container ports etc. Industrial building have a certain architectural design. I'd like to see maps in towns and villages or forests with houses, barns, hangars, barracks, villas, something scenic. BF5 and BF1 have some of the best maps. Yes it's a different era altogether but those maps have a certain aura about them that make more playable and likeness factor, in my personal opinion. Marita, Lofoten, Mercury, Provence all stellar maps in BF5. 

For me, ambience plays a huge part in a map and I feel like 2042 maps are too sharp and straight-edged. 

2. Please add more maps and weapons, and not 1 map and 2 guns after every 6 months! I'm talking about 2 new maps and at least 4 new weapons every 2 or 3. months. I feel like that is realistic. Some of us consumers spent upward of £80 on this game and we expect quantity as well as quality!!

3. Fix general bugs and glitches more quickly. This is a AAA title and if your team cannot cope then hire more devs.

4. Respect the community. Don't abandon us and treat us with disrespect. The vast majority of us have been loyal to the Battlefield brand since it's inception. Listen to us and care less about your pockets. Because if you listen to us, your pockets will grow!! Remember that! 

The Battlefield community desparately want this game to succeed and the lack of communication from DICE has been extremely evident which is why a lot of players have already abandoned this game.

I hope EA and DICE can turn this around. It may be too late for some people but if you deliver on the many aspects then who knows you might see a revival.

Thank you for the opportunity to let me comment, but now the ball is in your court. I don't want this to be the last ever Battlefield game I purchase.