Battlefield Core Feedback - Maps - Feedback Thread

I think, this whole thing is a waste of time, the problems with the game itself and the maps included are big. But these issues are with the core of the game, the design decisions that have been made and I don't see them reverting such design decisions (specialists) or adding missing elements (destruction / levelution) no matter what feedback we give or have given.

The feedback you are asking for, I can't give that. I stopped playing 2 weeks after release, don't know the names of these maps or spawn points or objectives locations by heart as I never continued to play for a lenghty period of time, I don't know which spawnpoint or objective is bad or what the name of the map is you're talking about.

A lot of feedback has been given at release, it was ignored, now the game is beyond the point of saving and you say you're going to listen and now and ask for feedback.

The issues with these maps are clear as day. If the game was playtested in real player vs player situations, they would've easily surfaced, but I think all the devs did was just playtest solo matches vs bots on their own which make the problems less visible because the bots are just dumb and spread out just to anywhere without any real reason behind it.

On the tactical side, the maps are too open, for example if you look at open maps in BF1 and BF5, some examples:
- BF1 maps like Galicia had trenches, so you were able to hide/cover there. While this map was flat in design, it still had enough micro height variations to take cover.

- BF5 had flower fields, if you were running through a field and were getting shot at, you could easily lay down and hide in the yellow flower fields.

BF2042 is just flat and open, just grass, sand or concrete. no roadblocks, no trenches, no checkpoints, nothing. This all also adds to the maps being too clean and sterile, there's literally nothing on the streets. BF4 Shanghai and other city maps, were filled with litter, paper, burning cars, burning checkpoints, roadblocks, concrete checkpoints, all adding to the immersion.

Maps like ZAVOD311 and Alborz also had flat spaces, but there was always enough trees, micro heigh varations and other cover available, you wouldn't get sniped from across the maps on those.

BF3's Grand Bazar had great CQB and designated areas for vehicles like tanks. that would help greatly with getting run over by boltes and hovercrafts every minute.

BF4's bombed Rotterdam map had the same idea.

One other main topic you missed on your questions is the destruction. This has always been a core element in the battlefield games, and one of my main reasons to enjoy the game. It's completely gone now. You can't create new paths to walk by blowing up a wall of a building to get tactical advantage (there's often not even buildings to blow a hole in a wall now) 

Therefore, a huge fun element is missing in this game, which just adds to the reasons of me stop playing this game. BF5 has great destruction, you see someone sniping from a building? you drop the roof on top of him, you can't get around a building, you blow a hole in the wall and get through it. you see someone running from your tank into a building, you drive through the wall to get him. 

Not a map-related feedback but I would love to see some sort of CTE (without progression ofc) for normal players to test out new stuff and provide feedback based on them, instead of having some employees do the playtesting why not set up a CTE? there are way more players to give feedback than some employees

• Which maps presently provide a poor opening experience because of the location of the Base Spawn?
  I mainly play 64 player Breakthrough so I'll be basing my answers relevant to this mode primarily.
  Hourglass - Point D spawn is too far away and on the attacking side and also allows the defending team to snipe down from the neighbouring high rise buildings. I'd suggest moving it to behind the first high rise on the left as if you were looking from the existing spawn.Discarded - Point A spawn is to far away and downhill on the attacking side and also allows the defending team to snipe down from the abandoned ship at point A2. The spawn need to be closer with more protection from environmental clutter scattered around.Manifest - Point A spawn can be camped by the enemy on the hill towards point C. Point B spawn also suffers from the same as well as having tanks camping on the road leading to B2. I would make it so the hill on point C is out of bounds to the defenders until the 3rd phase as well moving the defenders spawn on the second phase further round towards the edge of the docks so that a direct path can be taken to B1 without having to pass B2.
• Orbital - Point A spawn for the attackers is too far away and needs to be bought in closer to point A. Point B spawn for the defenders needs to be more central too as the attackers can spawn camp and hold the defending team completely back from entering the sector altogether.Breakaway - Point C spawns for both the attackers and defenders need to be made closer as it feels like a marathon running back to the action from both positions. Renewal - Point A spawns for both are badly positioned. The attackers spawn should be moved forward a little bit whilst the defenders spawn should swing round so it's behind point B2 and not diagonally from it as it removes the possibility for the attackers to flank from the left. Point C from the defenders perspective also needs more protection as currently it's too easy to spawn trap them with vehicles.
• Which maps are making it harder to get back into the fight in an all cap scenario? Discarded point A from the attacking perspective and Renewal point C from the defending side.
  
  
• How do you feel about the current balance between Infantry and Vehicles in Breakthrough?
  There's too many attacking vehicles to begin with and I don't know why they seem to be able to spwan with more than the defenders. Some of the splash damage from them needs to be looked at too as I shouldn't be taking damage when I'm behind cover and away from any edges. It's like the splash damage ignores scenery altogether.
• Have you played 64 player Breakthrough, and do you feel that this is the better way to experience the mode?
  It's the main mode I play and offers more variety of gunplay in my opinion. On the 128 player maps half of each team are always snipers because of the open map design and lack of cover which makes close quarter combat less prevalent than it's 64 player equivalent.
  
• On which maps and Flags do you see the most immediate need for more line of sight blockers?
  Pretty much all of them apart from maybe Orbital and Manifest (apart from the first phase as the defenders shouldnt be allowed on the hill leading to point C).
• Do you have specific areas on maps that currently stand out to you as lacking cover?
  Point D and attackers spawn at point D on Hourglass and on Breakaway point A and the ice section below point D.
• Do you have thoughts on how we can better define traveling paths between objectives to keep combat focused?
  More cover. If these environments are meant to be wartorn then where is all the debris from all these battles?
  
• Do you see improvement opportunities to make it easier to understand how to get from one objective to the next?

If the commander mode would be integrated again in the game, everything would be way more coordinated. the commander should be in game like in BF2 or BF2142. I personally didn´t like the mobile app. But i liked playing commander. And I know a good commander could always turn the battle when the squad leaders and the squad members followed the orders. The Commander > Squad leader > Squad Member line of command and the Target Ping System use to be essential 2 the game and made the main coordination. Would love to see a comeback in the game.

Also more cars, trucks, quads or motorcycles for fast travel at points of interest wouldn´t be bad.

Premise
Enough space is required to accommodate 128 people.

Optimizing the respawn position.

128 BT is not possible. It's not a game mode that allows 128 people even though 64 people are chaotic. It's like doing a 128 TDM.

Problem
A lot of respawns are breaking the game for a few roaming.

Flying objects and off-battlefield renditions reduce FPS. With BF1 know-how, images are enough outside the battlefield.

Solution
You can avoid walking by building a lot of ziplines and ignoring the atmosphere.
Resuscitation can be as quick as BF1, because it has a lot of line of sight and dies well.

Kaleidoscope

Is the Kaleidoscope amendment stupid?
There is no change in the walking simulation to D1.
So flags should be placed at the left and right entrances and floors

Addition

This is an example of an improvement plan.

Just making it easier to tell which direction the other objects are would be a great improvement. It's hard to tell on the minimap where the other objectives are even when opening the full view

I really feel you need some sort of priority list on the work involved in the game as map design is a low priority for many players - although the maps are pretty dull, it's other aspects of the game that make it frustrating to play.

Performance/lag/stutter, no server browser, no persistent lobbies, getting put into nearly ending matches for 10 seconds, VOIP etc - all these things need addressing before map design IMO.

My overall issue with maps is being forced to spawn at the start and then having to run for MILES to get to the first objective, which is always gone anyway. Then when you get there a vehicle comes in and destroys you. Then start again. I can rarely call vehicles in, and there is no other transport available.

The maps don't feel like real places, just small collections of nothing around each flag.

Look at St Quentin on BF1 - that map has so much interest and elevation - small villages, windmills, church, all really different elements that make for a good match. It even has wide open bits, but that doesn't seem to cause issues. The village section is fun because it gives lots of pathways and routes to have battles - but then it can be flattened by vehicles towards the end.

Orbital is the only map that feels fun ish. 

But I also believe people will find it hard to offer feedback on some of these things. I know when playing BF1 compare to BF2042 it is 1000x more fun, but trying to put into words why that is is very difficult.

Vehicle spam is one thing I constantly groan about - just as you reach an objective and start an excellent gun battle a Bolte runs you over or a helicopter destroys you and I just groan and start again. You never seem to get more than 60 seconds of combat before you have to spawn again.

Which maps presently provide a poor opening experience because of the location of the Base Spawn?

In my response to this all maps have bad spawns. Spawning at base is not a problem but having to travel or engage in a walking or running simulator to objective is the frustrating part. Just to get killed because there is no cover and map lacks life it. I played battlefield 1 and battlefield 5 for years now and I never dislike the game. The maps in these games are just too beautiful and well mad. Like wow. Maps needs to feel like that in BFV. They should be a quad bike call in. Every map should have infantry based section and little vehicle section. BF5 was made perfect. Repeat it here. I should know what I’m spawning into before I spawn also.

Which maps are making it harder to get back into the fight in an all cap scenario?
I will say all the maps makes it so hard to get into battle again and the lack of cover and infantry makes it more frustrating. Maps in order of hardness. Hourglass ,Kaleidoscope, discarded, orbital, manifest, breakaway, renewal. Honestly they all just that Hard and frustrating

Partly why people leave the game.

How do you feel about the current balance between Infantry and Vehicles in Breakthrough?

ooo My Lord. This topic is just toooo relevant. The game is just out of life right now. People open and close the game in 30 mins or less because of this issue. Battlefield 2042 is a game controlled and overrun by vehicles anywhere everywhere. It’s so frustrating and annoying. To run miles just to die to a vehicle or long range Guner. The balance is very poor. Every map needs a strong infantry based form. It’s more fun. Like way fun. Maps like Rotterdam, Devastation, Aerodrome in BFV made players globally and myself to enjoy the game so much. Battlefield V maps base designs and

improved. Those games and maps have so much life in them + less frustrating and rage moments. BF2042 maps needs more cover and houses in between them for infantry. With good visual and modern war feeling.

Have you played 64 player Breakthrough, and do you feel that this is the better way to experience the mode?

I think I won’t say much on this subject. All I say is that who ever thought 128 players was a good idea has bad game sight. 64 player game is just the way to move forward on. Coming from someone who has played 467 hours of battlefield 2042. And 1000+ on battlefield V. 

On which maps and Flags do you see the most immediate need for more line of sight blockers?

hourglass is a clear example. The first flag capture is almost impossible to take. With no cover or so ever. Kaleidoscope also taking the first part. No cover is there to move through. So if enemies secure the base first. They just stay up and spray. I mean almost all the maps flag capture is not fun and feels frustrating. Rework that. 

Do you have specific areas on maps that currently stand out to you as lacking cover? 
there are so many places in the game that best fit this question. I can’t even describe them with words. But I’m sure if you look into the game yourself you will figure that out easily. So what I will say is provide as much cover and infantry base map design on every map as much as possible 

Do you have thoughts on how we can better define traveling paths between objectives to keep combat focused?

you nailed that in battlefield 1 and V and 4. You can watch those games and repeat it there. There should be quad bikes call in. And If there should be some sort of force spawn. If all your team mates are dead. Spawning at your base to begin running simulator is just tough. There should be more pedestrian vehicle call in and also at bases. Limit the vehicles with weapons on that. It is ruining the game. A thank should not have both a missle and a mini gun. That’s absurd. 

Do you see improvement opportunities to make it easier to understand how to get from one objective to the next?

Simply there should be buildings in between them and covers. The map shouldn’t be bare and a running simulator. There should be more pedestrian vehicles at objectives to take to the next. And less combat vehicles. Taking those vehicles should have less impact as to using it to dominate players along the way. And that can be achieved my designing maps in a way those vehicles after taking them from objective just give you a straight road closer to the next objective Buh not exactly to the objective. Whiles players can maneuver throught these covers and buildings to the next objective if there is no vehicle. It’s better than just running miles on a bare land and dying at the end by a long ranger gunner. There should be also some form of horizontal elevator that takes player a little close to objective. This is 2042 world so that’s possible.

GENERAL FEEDBACK ON ALL THIS ( Most needed things that can make this game Top notch and save the franchise in the sight of The community)

1. These Map designs and changes should all arrive in the Relauch of this game that’s in June or July to save this game. There shouldn’t be half job done and all that.

BATTLEFIELD 2042 lacks the atmosphere of war or the feeling of chaos. Everything feels so calm and just killing people. There should be some form of rubbish , sign post, left overs, damaged buildings, floods and so many things that says this world is in chaos and people run to seek shelter and this place is abandon and many more. The natural disasters should also come in the game. Every map should at least have 1. The flood, the lightning strikes, the tornado, volcano eruption and others  

2. Introduction of VOIP and Scoreboard as soon as possible. 

3. Platoons and Clans or some sort of group to join meds to return to the game in summer. 

4. Specialist should be placed in a Class System. Deliver this update in June and player base will rocket. 

5. Aside rework of maps. There should be additional maps being implemented into the game with season 1. Along with More Guns, New specialist. UI of the game needs to be updated and reworked very much. There should be a soundtrack in the menu. More game modes are needed to be in AOW. The rotational things in portal is not what the community really needs. Just give the community the modes we already know in old BF games and love. Portal should be for creating our own game modes. Portal would have been used very much if the game delivered greatly and people didn’t have to leave in the beginning. So stop messing with portal and leave it to the community. Focus on all out warfare and hazard zone.

6. The game as of now is so buggy and I can’t start and end today. But I will list a few. The game has so much stuttering. Sometimes exiting vehicles means you can’t ADS . Focus on fixing all these bugs all 

7. The game network servers are bad. It takes me so long to enter the game after several errors saying unable to load consistent data and other errors. I hop on apex at that very moment and I just log in. Meaning battlefield 2042 servers are very bad. Work on that

8. The graphics in this game is very poor compared to Battlefield V which I can’t get my head around and how that is even possible. BFV feels like a human running into war with all its mechanics and quality of life and atmosphere and reaction. BF2042 feels like a normal toy character running with a weapon killing Bots with no I mean no WAR feeling. map needs to be updated to feel like the concept arts that was released for battlefield 2042. we really and desperately want that. 

9. Animations and graphics of battlefield 2042 is broken. If you destroy a vehicle or an ai dog or sentry gun. The animation of how it disappears is just horrible and so unreal. Sometimes killing players is even unreal. They fly around and many more. So unreal. Graphics in this game needs a serious makeover. Switch engines or something more. Game feels like a PlayStation 2 game at the moment. 

10. Boris ability needs to be removed from the game or greatly nerfed. Half of the reason why people left the game. 

11. Sentry weapons needs a great nerf. 

12. Look back at things that made battlefield V and 4 so great and repeat it in BF2042 and improve it. The world, the design and everything. 

There are lot more things to be said Buh I think this is enough. Kinky pay attention to other peoples feedbacks aside mine and this game will jump to the top. I promise that. If it’s executed perfectly. I love battlefield 2042 and I want this game to succeed no matter what.

Thank you.

What if you made the quad bikes available to be called in but made it squad based so each squad got a quad bike.