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Stew360's avatar
Stew360
4 years ago

BF3 wasnt a " Bad game " like COD arena But BF2042 is a true Combine arms BF

The narative against BF2042 as got to new height of disingenuousity

Some calling rumors spread by made up " gaming journalist " as truth and so on 

But the reality is BFBC or BF3 were way more of a departure from BF core design than BF2042 is even with specialist and loadout system .. 

BFBC was built from the ground up base on the Linear game mode that is rush wich basically is Multiples Arena like small scale 12 vs 12 16 vs 16 Arena maps that open up 1 by 1 in a long corridor like megamaps but everytime you clear up a section the previous was made obseleat so basically it was multiples small arena maps arange in a corridor ..

BF3 was built to be a " jack of all trade " type of game where you had around 60% of the contents wich was catering to COD players with lots of infantry base maps  and entire DLC dedicated to these " COD domination " like maps and modes .. So BF3 in many ways was just like BFBC a huge departure from what was the core BF experience wich is Conquest Combines arms gameplay Anti infantry , Anti vehicles , Anti air so call " rock paper scissor " if you want to call it that .. 

BF2042 now was build from the ground up around 128 players Large scale conquest maps wich more vehicles and more Anti infantry , Anti vehicles , Anti air options than ever before .. Of course they limited some diversity in weapons to get more grasp on the balance wich is good because almost every single weapons in BF2042 is viable while in previous BF there was 1 or 2 META weapons and the rest was unused and basically useless ... So its a letdown with a good outcome balance wise ..

2042 brought back Real combines arms gameplay with new options and new ways to aproach teamplay and teamwork EX: Using RAO at the riight momment or Casper to EMP or hack vehicles right before they could use Auto repair or flairs in Infantry vs Air gameplay or Infantry vs vehicles gameplay and so on .. 

2042 is a true back to the Original BF game .. Many BF3 players see BF2042 as " Not a BF " because they dont have these " infantry only maps " they had in BF3 .. But its BF3 who was not as much a BF as 2042 is .. BF core is Combines arms gameplay wich mean Infantry , vehicles , Air .. Like planetside 2 is another great combines arms game thats BF core 

BF3 was an arena shooter in a lot of its contents . i understand the apeal for an certain audience but this Aint what BF is .. the classes system isnt BF either . BF is Combine arms and Conquest this is what BF core is to me and its what BF core should be .. And i cant grasp the hate at all ..

All of these is Me a decade ago playing BF3 and all these maps you see there are mostly 99% Infantry focus and feel more like a COD Domination than it feel like a Battlefield game .. 

BF3 wasnt a bad game .. but when i compare 2042 with Bf3 i cannot remotly say that BF3 was more a BF game it was simply not .. By design BF3 was closer to a COD game than it was to a BF game .. And 2042 in the other end is a true large scale combines arms BF games builded from the ground up to be a Conquest base combines arms large scale warfare .. there is no other way around it 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7s0JnJMqOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxkYhs5IZVU&t=6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Qn9z1tBRU&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfjohOilo0

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  • BR-DuaneDibbley's avatar
    BR-DuaneDibbley
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    Before I write anything a question to the audience: Is this guy an EA/Dice employee in disguise? I wonder how much they pay for someone so consistently trying to defend this excuse of a BF game?

    In any case, for me TL;DR at the moment, so I respond to the title alone: Yes, BF2042 can indeed be called a 'combined arms' game. I would never argue against that. And I also don't see other people doing that. The question is however: How much fun is a version of combined arms is when you as infantry running getting abandoned by some uber-fast vehicles like the Bolte at the start of the round then running for some minutes over open terrain without any cover to get * (I did write some other word here, but it seems like this was changed automatically to a *?)  by the air vehicles on the other team. But is is definitely combined arms. But the point is: because of map design (of course not the only flaw of the game) this is just NOT FUN (for except for pilots maybe).

    So maybe you are mostly piloting some Nightbird, doing the harvesting of infantry. Then MAYBE I could understand that have some fun. But if you play infantry (and not only Portal vs. AI), then the only explanation for this mental disconnect we are witnessing here that makes sense to me is that you are somehow related to either Dice or EA.

  • Blackidus's avatar
    Blackidus
    4 years ago
    @Stew360 The Bad Company games where spin-off games, that´swhy they are different. And thats why they where accepted by the fans.

    And BF3 whas not the first game to have infantry focused maps or an infantry focused expansion. Remember BF2 Karkand, Mashtur, Sharqi, Jalalabad and the entire special forces expansion? And maybe half of the Battlefield Vietnam maps where focused on infantry gameplay.

    I mean even BF1942 had infantry focused maps, it had Berlin and Stalingrad. And I don´t think people are arguing wether or not 2042 is a combined arms game or not because it is. It´s just that the map design cater alot to vehicle players with lack of cover or infantry focused areas.

    Since you cant have 64 or 128 players driving around in their own tanks at all times, maps needs infantry focused areas. Look at Panzerstorm, big map with good areas with cover in the middle for infantry. Or Provence, vehicles and infantry get half the map each.
  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago
    @DuaneDibbley
    I see peoples everywhere calling BF2042 an " arena shooter " and a " BR games " or a " hero shooter " like overwatch lol .. Its laughable and sad actually ..

    BF2042 is indeed a combines arms game like BF games should be Infantry heavy spaces " exist troughout all maps .. B1 B2 D1C1 A1 A2 in manifest are all Infantry heavy spaces where infantry dominate most of the game .. Discarded gets infantry heavy gameplay around D1D2 C1 and pretty much all capture points area or around it while in between objective " Combines arms " gameplay actually shine ... Specialist are nothing more than Subclasses type with Locked gadjet and reconizable look for expectation and predictability and the other gadjet slot and loadout are free for extended custumization ..

    Also I do not farm infantry only when i pilot things .. I take care of vehicles first then if i have free time in between i will kill infantry to help my team and i master all types of vehicles from Air to ground and i also master infantry .. I am a BF players and planetside players since ever .. So i am use to do a littlebit of everything

  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago
    @Blackidus
    BF3 was called by most BF2 hardcore fan a " disgrace " or a " COD clone " because there was a clear bias and extended catering to the COD audiences while you could cherry pick X and Y maps that favor infantry ..

    I could do the same in 2042 and say Hey Manifest actually favor infantry by a long marging giving infantry hiding spots high ground , tons of cover etc.. and infantry mostly dominate this map if Air vs Air are doing their jobs

    Discarded D1 D2 C1 area and actually most capture points area are all Infantry dominated and in between objectives is where Vehicles gameplay shine and that is proper combines arms gameplay where some area of the maps favor one type and the other favor the other ..

    I could give undreads of exemples where infantry dominate in 2042 and where vehicles dominate in " COnquest " not other modes ...

    BF3 was heavily focused on infantry combat and many have developped this habits of never playing at all as tanks , or air etc.. wich isnt much of a compleate BF player ..

    Metro 24/7 servers farms was a thing for a reason where peoples who normally would have had a 0.5 kdr were able to stats pad 5.0+ KD and so on .. Every exemples i gave from my old videos were pretty much casi infantry exclusive maps and the large scales maps were rare and almost never brought into the rotation on most servers we could play in ..

    BF2042 is back on Large scale combines arms and its a good thing to me and its why i already played more 2042 in few months than i did BF3 and BF4 in years
  • BR-DuaneDibbley's avatar
    BR-DuaneDibbley
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Stew360
    It was designed as a BR game and was turned into a combined arms game where the anonymous faction based infantry soldiers one would expect were replaced by non-faction-specific hero characters. I would still call it 'combined arms' and definitely not a hero shooter, even though you can play it that way. But the core is still kinda 'combined arms' in my book.

    Now as many players of my clan have abandoned this iteration and mostly returned to BF5 there are still some nights when we are only 4 players willing to give BF2042 a go (the maximum of friends you can play together with). So we do that until one of us rage quits and we play something else. But then you can sometimes have fun. One with SOFLAM and 3 others with M5 and hunting helis can be nice.
  • NiCeDiCe90's avatar
    NiCeDiCe90
    4 years ago

    Everything you accuse the majority of players here you are actually doing 10 times a day by repeating you opion over and over and over again.

    But like said before: That doesnt make it true. It's still just your opinion.

    I don't even want to answer on that anymore.

    But about the weapons because it's funny:

    In BF3 the Meta AR was the M16. Let's look where it is on my profile (because everything else isn't viable amr?)

    Was actually hard to find between all those weapons nobody ever uses...

    https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/NiCeDiCe90/weapons/338954595/pc/

  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago
    @DuaneDibbley Thats repeating the Tom henderson " fake news " propaganda .. The game wasnt designed as a " BR game " it was designed as a BF game ... There is NO BR maps . no BR components and EA had no intention of making another BR to compeat with Apex legends .. Look at BFV battle Royal what they did to it ?
  • BR-DuaneDibbley's avatar
    BR-DuaneDibbley
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @Stew360

    Please send a link to your stats page where we can see how many kills you have in vehicles vs on foot as infantry.

  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago

    @DuaneDibbley
    We sadly do not have stats as it is for now . And i wish i could see it . but i can tell you this i have between Mastery 40 to master 90+ on 90% of all infantry weapons and i dont have yet Tier 1 on all the vehicles at all on many i am not yet half way and assist also count ..

    But here some infantry only gameplay i think i can handle infantry pretty well .

    https://youtu.be/Pucm8BLDWI8?t=22

    https://youtu.be/Pucm8BLDWI8?t=22


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qaT4DTeyjw

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