Boris turret is pointless. It takes an eternity to start shooting yet stops almost instantly. If about as durable as a paper bag in a lite shower of rain. A mean what’s the point in playing him?? Oh no wait you’ve forced us to use either him or crawford awful mini gun turret to complete a weekly mission. Just pointless.
@DeepSixxxx wrote:@BolvardThe turret "Wall hacked" one player at a time. Paik "Wall hacks" unlimited players at at time. But yes you have to push a single button to activate Paik's "ability", and all it takes to activate the auto-turret is 5 seconds to find a perfectly level spot to drop, pray it doesn't explode instantly, and take 2 seconds to drop it while being shot at, then watch a sniper one shot destroy it instantly...super cool "ability"...🤔
My DX takes 2 shots. Range probably plays a part.
I'd agree the "orange wall hack" was too much for the auto-turret. Yet instead of just removing that part, Dice did the following:
1. Slowed the response time of the turret to target enemies (Maybe, but it picks me up pretty damn quick)
2. Reduced the spotting distance drastically to a very short range (Whether the current range is workable, before it was ridiculous)
3. Removed the "orange spotting" and replaced it with basically nothing (Some things dont need to be replaced when it is just OP)
4. Reduced the shot damage to where you can only get killed if you stand in front of it for 10 or more seconds with full health. (Not sure now, but when I was trying to T1 the K30, I unloaded a 50 round clip, hitting everyone and it didnt destroy the unit. Ridiculous)
5. Slowed the drop speed (Needed. I cannot tell you how many twitch fights I won, but the guy dropped a gun as he died and it killed me immediately)
6. Slowed the pickup speed
7. Reduced the circle diameter that is supposed to increase its power if you stand inside it (Most use it as a shield anyway)
8. Reduced the locations the turret can drop on almost all maps, especially at height
9. Made T1 near impossible for all players who have not leveled Boris yet
10. Recently nerfed the turret so it can't fire through smoke at all so now it magically has no infrared military technology like Paik still utilizes on unlimited targets. (I could go either way on this)
Could do this all day and yes I get it Boris was a little too OP once...but did we need a dozen nerfs when really the only issue was "auto-Paik" orange glow spotting ability??? (The gun was very OP. It was soloing kills. Paik may see you, but the player is still doing the killing and possibly dying.)Dice "Operation Nerf" successful, character dead...🤭 (Welcome to Casper Nerf)
The gun was on the same level as, or close to Ranger. IMHO, no AI should be able to solo you. You play the game, not the computer. It is an assist. I still see Boris laying down in the corner with his gun in front of him. People walking in and shooting, only to hit the gun, while Boris shoots you. The gun was never meant to be a shield.
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
His turret is soooooo weak. I'd be extremely lucky to even get an damage assist with it before it's destroyed. It was even needed again in the 2.1 update. It can't shoot through smoke now which in my opinion was the only thing that made it usable. Someone throws smoke, you place down the turret and it'd get you 1 or 2 kills before it was destroyed. It needs a massive buff
@FlibberMeisterGood luck getting T1 on Boris now. That would be almost impossible now with the nerf. The turret doesn't kill anything. Most players can kill Boris and the turret before the turret even reacts.
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.
I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
@FlibberMeister wrote:
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
No just because it's in the game doesn't mean it should be powerful if it's detrimental to the gameplay which a turret 100% is, same with the ranger
The turret already does enough by being an all-seeing always watching spotting machine, asking for the turret to be deadly on top of that is 100% asking the game to do work for you
If the turret makes it easy to get at minimum a 1 on 1 trade every bot is gonna use it and it's gonna be miserable for anyone who just wants to play a game without having to worry about an all seeing aimbot on a timer which is the majority of people
But hey we'll just have to wait for people to lose their * again for it to be nerfed again
No one likes playing against crutches
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
No just because it's in the game doesn't mean it should be powerful if it's detrimental to the gameplay which a turret 100% is, same with the ranger
The turret already does enough by being an all-seeing always watching spotting machine, asking for the turret to be deadly on top of that is 100% asking the game to do work for you
If the turret makes it easy to get at minimum a 1 on 1 trade every bot is gonna use it and it's gonna be miserable for anyone who just wants to play a game without having to worry about an all seeing aimbot on a timer which is the majority of people
But hey we'll just have to wait for people to lose their * again for it to be nerfed again
No one likes playing against crutches
I agree, the all seeing feature of the turret is stupid.
id be happy if it’s range and angle of attack was limited, broader angle of attack at expense of speed/targeting.
narrower angle of attack, faster targeting.
longer range at lower of power. Shorter range, more powerful. Could also combine rate of fire, vs power vs target speed. Perhaps only configurable in main menu.
or, just get rid completely. Either way, at the moment. It’s worthless.
@FlibberMeister wrote:I agree, the all seeing feature of the turret is stupid.
id be happy if it’s range and angle of attack was limited, broader angle of attack at expense of speed/targeting.
narrower angle of attack, faster targeting.longer range at lower of power. Shorter range, more powerful. Could also combine rate of fire, vs power vs target speed. Perhaps only configurable in main menu.
or, just get rid completely. Either way, at the moment. It’s worthless.
Imo the way to go is to remove it or rework it so it's not an all-seeing aimbot because as of right now the turret is just a crutch, a bad one because of the delay but still
It's additional HP, damage and information that requires no input from the player
It's almost like adding an full blown AI soldier, one that doesn't move but is aware of everything it sees in a 65m radius and doesn't miss
If the problem people have is the mastery they should just change the requirement, not break the game so people can get achievements lol
