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rippedwire01
4 years ago

DICE response to "Legacy Features" (Voice Chat, scoreboard, server Browser)

"We also want to give you the assurance that we’re carefully evaluating your desire to see legacy features return. End-of-match Scoreboard, Server Browser, and features like Voice Chat are big topics for us to cover all at once, and we have plenty we want to say around them. We’ll come back to you when we have things that we can show to you, including details about our long-term vision for certain features and functions. "

How in the world is Voice Chat already not in the game? Why does DICE need to have a discussion about about it. 

Calling these things "legacy features" instead of just features that should have been in the game by default is ridiculous.

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  • filthy_vegans's avatar
    filthy_vegans
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Buzzfunk wrote:
    @filthy_vegansYeah i remember. However, aside from bugs, and i dont think we are not forgiving in that regard - all of those titles had the core elements intact. Whether that was a scoreboard, server browser, squad selection etc, it wasn't really about hey this isn't BF. Buggy yes but 2042 is an entirely different animal, IMO.

    I've already made my position on the scoreboard clear, so I shan't repeat it.

    The server browser is a glaring omission only inasmuch as in AOW I'd like to have a clear rotation so I don't play the same maps repeatedly (especially the weaker ones such as Kaleidoscope), and can avoid them by choosing the right map in the rotation to give me a good few games before switching server. DICE even used to make playlists and gamemode weekends on BFV, although it always felt kind of half-hearted. community games were a cool feature, although their reliance, like Portal, on having at least one active player on the server is very limiting.

    For AOW, squad selection isn't the issue. Squad size and VOIP categorically is. Smaller squads are less persistent as it's a lot easier to wipe them and much harder for an organised squad to take on the rush of players that spawn to defend a flag under attack. a 5-man squad would make much more  sense, in my view, than the current 4-man allowance. The lack of in-game VOIP doesn't affect me much, but if I were to put my sweatpants on alone on a weekend (which basically doesn't happen), I'd want to be able to berate talk to my squadmates.

    I'm not sure 2042 is an entirely different animal. I've seen evolution in how people play the maps since the 19th, and expect the metagame to evolve as we all learn how to play it. I also expect DICE/Criterion/whoever to learn how to make engaging 128 player maps for the game modes. Doubling the player count is not necessarily best served by just doubling the map area and available vehicles.

    I'm still not sure I think the "this isn't Battlefield" line is valid though. It is Battlefield. It's just a bit different. It certainly feels like a Battlefield to me.

  • thebulletk1n's avatar
    thebulletk1n
    New Vanguard
    4 years ago

    This game has made some stupid design choices. For a competitive game it's unacceptable. It's boring too and the skill gap has been reduced to atoms. I can't even see my own performance relative to others....

    It's shocking.

  • 2Timothy3's avatar
    2Timothy3
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    @Digitalmessiah This older player (since 1942) agrees for the most part. I just don't think it is just or even mostly the older BF players. I see a lot of this coming from the younger, "more inclusive" crowd that thinks everyone deserves a reward for simply breathing. Wherever it's coming from, it needs to stop. BF has always been competitive since the 1942 LAN days of 2001.
  • 2Timothy3's avatar
    2Timothy3
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    @filthy_vegans They gone woke when they took a duece on the WW2 war veterans in BFV and managed to minimize the efforts women contributed during the war which opened the door for them to serve. They essentially said women's efforts were meaningless without a rifle. My grandmother would disagree. They could have shown warfighting women through the French Resistance or Soviet Army, but that apparently didn't go far enough.

  • 2Timothy3's avatar
    2Timothy3
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    @Tank2042Man I miss 75% of that content. There are many, many fans that feel the same way. "Hardly anyone" is probably reflective of your own personal circle, but not an accurate assessment of the community.
  • zbran1's avatar
    zbran1
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    "number of times you've dropped a hovercraft on your head."

    The answer for me is once. I was laughing so hard I died twice after spawning back in. I hadn't realised it was a thing.

    I got more laughs telling my noob friend that he had to always stand under the vehicle when it was dropping because other players would steal them. 😄

  • Digitalmessiah's avatar
    Digitalmessiah
    4 years ago
    @2Timothy3 Word. I mean I'm 33 now, I was 15-16 when I started playing 1942 and back then we actually had a comp league for Desert Combat mod. Our clan was in gold division in STA(?) I think it was. Didn't hurt we had the co-creator of the mod in our clan, who would go on to form Trauma Studios and DICE New York. We also had an ex-Airforce pilot as our jet guy lol. After BF2 came out the comp scene kinda fizzled out and we switched to CS:Source.

    My argument was just based on the fact that the game inherently tracks everything that's going on, it's the choice of the individual to acknowledge this or not. It's totally on them if they do not want to pay attention to it, but it's silly to suggest the scoreboard doesn't matter and that somehow it's an "ego thing" to simply observe the reality of what is happening.

    It's like turning your fuel gauge off in your car and pretending the car is running on hope and dreams...obviously that's silly because the car is running on gas. This game as well as any other multiplayer game where you are competing against other people literally runs on scores. When you eliminate someone, the game doesn't "forget" or "pretend it didn't happen", it tracks it as a metric and the game moves forward.

    That's literally the foundation of the game. When something like a game that's literally built on score starts to hide the very purpose of it's existence, it feels like I have to turn my brain off and play pretend. I guess my team won't mind if I "do what I want so long as I'm having fun!" and ride the tornado for 10 minutes, or maybe I'll just merely "exist" on the map somewhere for the whole round...maybe go make a sandwich. I'll still get an award at the end, so who cares about capping points.

    TL;DR: The score is still being tracked under the hood. Always was, always will be, it's literally inherent to how the game functions as a "game". You're just not "allowed" to see it right now. Think about that for a minute.
  • BOURNENYC's avatar
    BOURNENYC
    4 years ago
    @rippedwire01 Socom Navy Seals for PS2 that debut in 2002 had VOIP on launch are you kidding.me.

    Now if they come back and say weve been working on a VOIP that will change gaming forever etc and we want to maKe sure its ready for use the I can give them a pass. But nope.

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