The main problem is the Devs thought it was a good idea to nerf her universally across all platforms instead of balancing her according to each system knowing that weapons and movement perform differently depending on the platform. Her missile was already a nightmare to control on Console especially against air vehicles. The controllability was already much more worse than it was for PC M&K players before the buff and during. So now they nerfed it again which means us console players feel it harder than PC players do.If the online shooter industry is adamant about having Crossplay with Console vs PC, then they need to balance them separately according to how that game performs on that system to make it fair play. And you wonder why so many Console and some PC players are not fans of the way Crossplay is currently being handled ( this topic being the lesser of the issues).

My team and I (4-5 people) that played battlefield for over 10 years together several times a week stopped playing this game due to bugs, bad balance and general chaos.We gave it another shot recently and slowly found ourselves back into liking the game a little when we all played Lis, for the reason that we had a small chance against helicopters and vehicles in general, while it still was a struggle to hit anything.Yesterday, we tried the update. Now, you can barely make a turn with the rocket so it is quite impossible to hit a skilled helicopter.4 Liz = 8 rockets with the first reload. We couldn't kill any helicopter. We used to die about 10-20 times to kill one chopper, now we can't kill it and just continue to die.(We even tried combinations of 1 hacker, 3 stingers, still not possible)This is of course another issue of balance that the helicopters are way to powerful and don't have anything that takes them down.(As other people simply don't play the game that way, even 4 people with stingers can't take 1 helicopter where we die about 20 times before changing flag where the helicopter isn't)This might yet again pull the sprint and blow us from finding our way back into the game. Every session is a situation where we have to say positive things toward one and another to now turn of the game. You are slowly finding your way back to create a good game, even if it it might have been the biggest failure regarding the launch of modern gaming history. You have a legacy of the best FPS in the world, it is your responsibility to not throw it away due to any reason. (Money and pushy launch...)Kind regards,Zathex

@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond wrote:How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?Incompetent?My dude that's Battlefield. Not everyone is a Level 100 Colonel.The alternative is making Helis completely garbage. Why would you do that.31/63 players should not have to depend on one player to prevent getting farmed by a pilot. there needs to be more than just "use the aa tank" to counter air

so PC gets better performance on TGM again? that's completely unfair

@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Zathex wrote:My team and I (4-5 people) that played battlefield for over 10 years together several times a week stopped playing this game due to bugs, bad balance and general chaos.We gave it another shot recently and slowly found ourselves back into liking the game a little when we all played Lis, for the reason that we had a small chance against helicopters and vehicles in general, while it still was a struggle to hit anything. Did any of you try using the Anti-Air tank?It's strange that I see people complain about balance but they never use the tools at their disposal. The Anti-Air tank has far longer lock on ranges than stingers, so if one of your squad members forced the enemy heli to use their flares, the AA Tank can easily take them down.Here's a video of me destroying two Helis as Lis in Season 4, the first Heli was a skilled pilot as well.How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?

@S3SSioN_SoLWildcat (aka AA tank) is decent at blocking a high-skilled pilot and effective at killing average and below. High skill pilots will know how to position attack and/or avoid the Wildcat. This is only true if a focused player gets the Wildcat spawn and has the right loadout. Providing it doesn't go to someone that uses it to try and farm infantry, treats it as vehicle transport. High-skill pilots will often get many passes in before they can either get overwhelmed (unlikely now with lack of AA missle and lis nerf) or they eventually make a mistake and succumb to the pressure.I think the really bad pilots are less likely to grab the Aircraft spawn vs. really bad tankers grabbing the Wildcat. Because, a bad pilot knows they will probably just crash or be killed immediately. Whereas a bad tanker can at least survive for awhile camping with the tank. So we have more competition for high-skill Wildcat players to actually get ahold of it.

Dice.. Stop Nerfing/Buffing equally! “Lis”

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Psubond
3 years ago
so PC gets better performance on TGM again? that's completely unfair
Zathex
3 years ago
My team and I (4-5 people) that played battlefield for over 10 years together several times a week stopped playing this game due to bugs, bad balance and general chaos.
We gave it another shot recently and slowly found ourselves back into liking the game a little when we all played Lis, for the reason that we had a small chance against helicopters and vehicles in general, while it still was a struggle to hit anything.
Yesterday, we tried the update. Now, you can barely make a turn with the rocket so it is quite impossible to hit a skilled helicopter.
4 Liz = 8 rockets with the first reload. We couldn't kill any helicopter. We used to die about 10-20 times to kill one chopper, now we can't kill it and just continue to die.
(We even tried combinations of 1 hacker, 3 stingers, still not possible)
This is of course another issue of balance that the helicopters are way to powerful and don't have anything that takes them down.
(As other people simply don't play the game that way, even 4 people with stingers can't take 1 helicopter where we die about 20 times before changing flag where the helicopter isn't)

This might yet again pull the sprint and blow us from finding our way back into the game. Every session is a situation where we have to say positive things toward one and another to now turn of the game. You are slowly finding your way back to create a good game, even if it it might have been the biggest failure regarding the launch of modern gaming history. You have a legacy of the best FPS in the world, it is your responsibility to not throw it away due to any reason. (Money and pushy launch...)

Kind regards,
Zathex
S3SSioN_SoL
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Zathex wrote:
My team and I (4-5 people) that played battlefield for over 10 years together several times a week stopped playing this game due to bugs, bad balance and general chaos.
We gave it another shot recently and slowly found ourselves back into liking the game a little when we all played Lis, for the reason that we had a small chance against helicopters and vehicles in general, while it still was a struggle to hit anything.
Did any of you try using the Anti-Air tank?
It's strange that I see people complain about balance but they never use the tools at their disposal. The Anti-Air tank has far longer lock on ranges than stingers, so if one of your squad members forced the enemy heli to use their flares, the AA Tank can easily take them down.
Here's a video of me destroying two Helis as Lis in Season 4, the first Heli was a skilled pilot as well.
Psubond
3 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Zathex wrote:
My team and I (4-5 people) that played battlefield for over 10 years together several times a week stopped playing this game due to bugs, bad balance and general chaos.
We gave it another shot recently and slowly found ourselves back into liking the game a little when we all played Lis, for the reason that we had a small chance against helicopters and vehicles in general, while it still was a struggle to hit anything.
Did any of you try using the Anti-Air tank?
It's strange that I see people complain about balance but they never use the tools at their disposal. The Anti-Air tank has far longer lock on ranges than stingers, so if one of your squad members forced the enemy heli to use their flares, the AA Tank can easily take them down.
Here's a video of me destroying two Helis as Lis in Season 4, the first Heli was a skilled pilot as well.
How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?
S3SSioN_SoL
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?
Incompetent?
My dude that's Battlefield. Not everyone is a Level 100 Colonel.
The alternative is making Helis completely garbage. Why would you do that.
Psubond
3 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?
Incompetent?
My dude that's Battlefield. Not everyone is a Level 100 Colonel.
The alternative is making Helis completely garbage. Why would you do that.
31/63 players should not have to depend on one player to prevent getting farmed by a pilot. there needs to be more than just "use the aa tank" to counter air
DigitalHype
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoLWildcat (aka AA tank) is decent at blocking a high-skilled pilot and effective at killing average and below. High skill pilots will know how to position attack and/or avoid the Wildcat. This is only true if a focused player gets the Wildcat spawn and has the right loadout. Providing it doesn't go to someone that uses it to try and farm infantry, treats it as vehicle transport. High-skill pilots will often get many passes in before they can either get overwhelmed (unlikely now with lack of AA missle and lis nerf) or they eventually make a mistake and succumb to the pressure.
I think the really bad pilots are less likely to grab the Aircraft spawn vs. really bad tankers grabbing the Wildcat. Because, a bad pilot knows they will probably just crash or be killed immediately. Whereas a bad tanker can at least survive for awhile camping with the tank. So we have more competition for high-skill Wildcat players to actually get ahold of it.
OldSkoolzFinest
3 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoL I’m not a vehicle player, I mainly play infantry in all BF plus i play solo.
disabled_tweeke
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?
Incompetent?
My dude that's Battlefield. Not everyone is a Level 100 Colonel.
The alternative is making Helis completely garbage. Why would you do that.
31/63 players should not have to depend on one player to prevent getting farmed by a pilot. there needs to be more than just "use the aa tank" to counter air
Your team has almost identical vehicles to their team? Get a in a helicopter or jet or maybe work as a team to take them down? Still can’t beat him? Then you deserve it.
Psubond
3 years ago
@disabled_tweeker wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
How many of those are available? If someone else has it and is incompetent should we be defenseless against helos?
Incompetent?
My dude that's Battlefield. Not everyone is a Level 100 Colonel.
The alternative is making Helis completely garbage. Why would you do that.
31/63 players should not have to depend on one player to prevent getting farmed by a pilot. there needs to be more than just "use the aa tank" to counter air
Your team has almost identical vehicles to their team? Get a in a helicopter or jet or maybe work as a team to take them down? Still can’t beat him? Then you deserve it.
obviously you haven't played breakthrough. also:
so you are saying only vehicles should be able to harm vehicles. deal as long as vehicles can't harm infantry.