DICE What are you doing to Battlefield
This is it, I'm out. I tried to hold on but this is not Battlefield and I'm sick of pretending it is. To whoever enjoys it, enjoy. Enjoy playing this game that used to stand out from the rest but no...
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@filthy_vegans wrote:
@FatherDed- No. You know this. Don't be that guy. You can do better than that.
I'd scold my children for behaving like spoilt little * having a meltdown in a supermarket over whether or not they get barbecue sauce or ketchup for their dino nuggies.
I'm not being that guy. I was just trying to be humorous (failing) to illustrate a point. Maybe there have been some posts in the thread that are a bit brat-ish but I think in general people are just expressing a valid point of view in a reasonable way. There are people who have been fans of the franchise for 19 years now. They're disappointed at seeing it in this state and seeming to lose it's identity trying to be something else and just ending up being a poor shadow of what it was. I don't think it's fair to blanket label everyone in the thread as a spoiled child for just rightfully expressing their opinion and annoyance for what they've been given for their hard earned money.
The skin is just a representation of a complete change of tone and direction that people don't like. You pointed out the skins from previous games - it looks like they were just the thin end of the wedge. You can say, well get over it, EA is a business, they have a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profit etc. But that's just shrugging at the corporate world taking yet another good thing that people enjoyed and turning it into a bland empty commodity. I think people have every right to be angry about it.
@FatherDed wrote: I'm not being that guy. I was just trying to be humorous (failing) to illustrate a point. Maybe there have been some posts in the thread that are a bit brat-ish but I think in general people are just expressing a valid point of view in a reasonable way. There are people who have been fans of the franchise for 19 years now. They're disappointed at seeing it in this state and seeming to lose it's identity trying to be something else and just ending up being a poor shadow of what it was. I don't think it's fair to blanket label everyone in the thread as a spoiled child for just rightfully expressing their opinion and annoyance for what they've been given for their hard earned money.The skin is just a representation of a complete change of tone and direction that people don't like. You pointed out the skins from previous games - it looks like they were just the thin end of the wedge. You can say, well get over it, EA is a business, they have a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profit etc. But that's just shrugging at the corporate world taking yet another good thing that people enjoyed and turning it into a bland empty commodity. I think people have every right to be angry about it.
I appreciate that the game is, shall we say not without its issues. You'll note that I haven't objected to the vast majority of complaints except the "muh mershun!" comments, which are, politely put, misplaced given the tone of the game since 2016 (cf. the flametroopers on a horse gif and the aforementioned pink bombers, gold tanks, Phantom of the Opera and stereotyped Japanese characters).
What I have objected to is the tone that people adopt to make their complaints, some of which are perfectly valid and which I'd also like to see addressed. We have on the one hand players complaining that DICE don't listen to them (how can they be so out of touch!? O! The humanity!), while at the same time behaving like deliberately forgetful and petulant children. The similarity of rhetorical "flourishes"* suggests that it is, indeed, adopted, i.e. crass "talking points" picked up thoughtlessly from Youtube and Reddit and deployed like a jobbie sword for glorious forum rep grinding. It's uninformed, ill-considered and frankly counterproductive.
The way that this "feedback" is being presented is guaranteed to make those in the positions to make the changes less likely to listen. Whatever commercial implications his comments had for BFV, I have to say I respected Soderlund for telling the rabble not to buy the game if they don't like it.
I think it safe to say we disagree on what constitutes feedback and what counts as being a rude, thoughtless and overdramatic baby on the internet. Frankly, I think the meltdown-in-Sainsbury's about the skins distracts from the collection of principled, focussed feedback. If the game worked smoothly and didn't cause frustration in the those who have paid for it and play it (I paid for it too, btw, and also have issues with multiple aspects of the game), I think a lot of the hyperbolic complaints would just simply never happen. In this respect, it's clearly a case of control. Players - customers - cannot control the creation of the game. They are, however, responsible for how they behave and how they react to it.
I see a lot of "we" in the complaints. If anyone is going to speak in my name, I'd rather they used the grown-up voice.
* including but not limited to:
- they don't play their own game
- they're out of touch
- they don't listen to us - why didn't they just remake BF3/4?
- I'm leaving the game
- look at the stock price
- look at their staff turnover
- look at GlassDoor
@filthy_vegans wrote:I see a lot of "we" in the complaints. If anyone is going to speak in my name, I'd rather they used the grown-up voice.
* including but not limited to:
- they don't play their own game
- they're out of touch
- they don't listen to us - why didn't they just remake BF3/4?
- I'm leaving the game
- look at the stock price
- look at their staff turnover
- look at GlassDoor
"Look at GlassDoor" and their staff turnover are facts. After Patch 3 you can also clearly say, that they don't play or test their own game, otherwise they would have never released that patch. The only reason why the feedback is "presented" in a bad way right now, is that Dice simply doesn't care. You can find all the constructive feedback with the same issues from the Beta and from the launch.
Now we got patch 3 and still there are no real / significant changes. I am sick of all those "Dice will fix it" comments. BF4, BF1 and BFV all had a terrible releases, but the game wasn't broken to its core one single time. Most of the players were able to play the game with a good performance. Yes there were bugs, hitreg problems and performance issues, but they are even worse in BF 20-42 fps. Additional we got unbalanced and broken specialists / gadgets (Sundance Hitbox, Mackay ADS-Boost, Wallhack-Paik, Spotting-Grenade), unbalanced vehicles (M5 Bolt, Helicopters), missing important all time shooter / BF features (Scoreboard, Squad-System, Points for squad play, Map-Rotation) and really bad designed maps. This has all been adressed 100 times during the beta / launch, but they didn't care.
This game has no sould and that is, why it will utlimately fail, if they don't start to care. We can only hope, that EA / Dice is putting the right people in charge.
@TickTack121 wrote:
BF4, BF1 and BFV all had a terrible releases, but the game wasn't broken to its coreI am not so sure DICE believes it is broken to the core. I think it is simply the direction it chose to take the franchise. I don't expect it to change direction at all. They will fix bugs and release some new skins for the kids. Don't expect to see Battlefield in BF2042.
I would just be happy to get my damn keybinds to work on my mouse. Im not playing again until that gets fixed
@TickTack121 wrote:
@filthy_vegans wrote:I see a lot of "we" in the complaints. If anyone is going to speak in my name, I'd rather they used the grown-up voice.
* including but not limited to:
- they don't play their own game
- they're out of touch
- they don't listen to us - why didn't they just remake BF3/4?
- I'm leaving the game
- look at the stock price
- look at their staff turnover
- look at GlassDoor
"Look at GlassDoor" and their staff turnover are facts. After Patch 3 you can also clearly say, that they don't play or test their own game, otherwise they would have never released that patch. The only reason why the feedback is "presented" in a bad way right now, is that Dice simply doesn't care. You can find all the constructive feedback with the same issues from the Beta and from the launch.
Now we got patch 3 and still there are no real / significant changes. I am sick of all those "Dice will fix it" comments. BF4, BF1 and BFV all had a terrible releases, but the game wasn't broken to its core one single time. Most of the players were able to play the game with a good performance. Yes there were bugs, hitreg problems and performance issues, but they are even worse in BF 20-42 fps. Additional we got unbalanced and broken specialists / gadgets (Sundance Hitbox, Mackay ADS-Boost, Wallhack-Paik, Spotting-Grenade), unbalanced vehicles (M5 Bolt, Helicopters), missing important all time shooter / BF features (Scoreboard, Squad-System, Points for squad play, Map-Rotation) and really bad designed maps. This has all been adressed 100 times during the beta / launch, but they didn't care.
This game has no sould and that is, why it will utlimately fail, if they don't start to care. We can only hope, that EA / Dice is putting the right people in charge.
Oh dear.
*Best read while holding circus music in your mind*
[Drum roll] [Man in top hat and red tails bursts through drum with accompanying party poppers] [smoke]
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, on this fabled night at Master Wonky's Fallacy Circus, The Legendary Strawman. 9 feet tall! Weighing 500 pounds! Stinking of unwashed basement sweats!
Cover your ears at the fearful sound of its REEEEEEEE! Roll your eyes at the predictability of its righteous anger! Cover your mouth, for it will put its words and intentions into it!Seriously, slow clap. You are the avatar of the entire community, Reddit, YouTube, Twitter and the entire click-based internet outrage ecosystem. I have seen the face of God, and He's incapable of processing and responding to a rational thought.
If you want to have an adult conversation about the issues in the game, I'm happy to talk. Until then, I bid you good night.
