Dog Fights

@dirtytamatoand there is no better way to prevent helicopters from bothering the ground forces than having some jet slots.

The heli may deplete its flares to stop a stinger but it will have a much harder time getting away from an aircraft that can follow it to its LoS hiding spot and finish it while its defenses are down.

@dirtytamatoit might come from the point that many people screamed "infantry only".
I totally agree and for me always the advantage from battlefield over call of duty was the vehicles in combination with ground fights, only this makes it a real battlefield.
sadly the last games in general that came out were fewer vehicles at all.
for example el alamain in original 1942 had like 5 tanks per side + 2 bombers + some normal planes, and now we have 2 tanks + 1 bomber + 2 planes, like it's halved.

the map itself is / was only playable due to it's huge amount of vehicles, it's so much open field, and maybe that's also the reason we don't see it in the official playlist, no one wants to walk these distances just to get sniped before you get anywhere, double or triple the vehicles and it might look else and be much more playable
I'm atleast happy we now have air/tank superiority where we can fight with more of vehicles

@dirtytamato 

It would seem like DICE is prioritizing feedback from "Infantry" players as the maps simply are not in their favor due to the gross lack of cover. Sadly however, their response to this feedback is abysmal considering that pilots have been placed on the side rails of the Battlefield.

Their response to this feedback has also exposed the powerhouse that is the "transport Hind/Condor" when there's no air attack vehicles to keep them in check and has resulted in what's known as a "Trophic Cascade" which essentially means, when a predator is removed, naturally every single species below it will feel significant effects either positive or negative. In this case, the predators of the skies were reduced so much, that their prey, the "transport Hind/Condor" has become the new predators.

A transport Hind/Condor with 2 people manning the Miniguns can completely nullify a Jet from doing anything, the range is simply too good on its Miniguns.

I write more about air vehicle balance here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Now-that-the-50mm-Cannons-have-been-nerfed-the-Hind-Condor/m-p/11626626

Thus, DICE need to restore air attack vehicles to 2/2 or more on certain maps, and/or implement a separate category for Jets.

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@dirtytamato wrote:
@UP_HawxxeyeIm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Honestly, the helis would leave infantry alone all together if they new they had a war in the sky to fight

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Honestly the helis will always go for infantry, but a heli that has to account for aircraft will play differently than one that does not.

For example I do not use the 30mm often on my stealth heli because I want to have the default gun that is easier to land hits on helicopters and jets who try to barbecue my heli. For the same reason I forgo AGM missiles for Anti air missiles.

Meanwhile a heli that feels that will only have things on the ground to deal with will be geared with the 30mm and the AGMs for maximum ground havoc. A constant presence of jets serves to make that less likely to happen

@S3SSioN_SoL

Yes, jets etc are foxes, condor/hinds are rabbits and the infantry are leafy greens. Anyone would guess what would happen

@UP_Hawxxeye 

They should buff the cannons on the jets in regard to other aircraft and remove the AGM's all together, might encourage more of these Ace Top Gun pilots to hunt aircraft instead of just AGM, loop, rinse repeat constantly to the armor on the ground.

@Ironhead841the 25mm already got an incredible buff which makes it super deadly and anything that is not a tank, MAV or wildcat. Including infantry.
If the 30mm gets a similar treatment, nobody will even consider using AGM again. It would be fun to go A-10 on the tanks.

@UP_Hawxxeye 

I rarely see jets in game anymore since they have a shared slot with helis, they should get their own slot. I didn't know they buffed the jets guns, I rarely fly anything but that is a good move, now we just need more jets hunting other aircraft.

The problem is AGM when they are still balancing infantry vs tanks and the maps are terrible.

This adjustment to air vs air must have been put on hold until the maps are better. I'm sure the respawn time will be down to 1 minute again, and even to attack aerial vehicles can be added depending on map. 

But, dude, dreams... If they don't add server browser, maps and guns, this game will be dead mid season 2 bc of new games coming up.