I wonder are my only one suffering bad hit registration in BF2042? ( compared to other games). I've been gaming since castle wolfenstein / Original doom and own about all BF titles. I have decent rig ( 7800X3D, rtx 4070 ( overclocked) with loads of fast memory, fast ssd. I play using low latency fiber conn.
Back in the days battlefield games were fun to play. Now in many of the "lobbies/games" you join hit registration is not in level one can expect in year 2025. When i say bad hit registration; i mean if i shoot with aimed gun into certain position, players can run through the bullet path without getting any hits and they just one shot kill players. Their characted does not even show that they are pointing a gun at you.
In many cases you get shot meters after you have run behind corner. Your body can be recovered up to 10 meters behind 90 degrees corner. Or if you duck down you get still hit one second after beeing in cover for sure.
I wonder do developers realise, that gunplay is THE most important aspect when developing fps games? I guess they dont! Main points in this franchise has been around "flying squirrols" and "low-iq" character lines and charms & cosmetics nobody asked.
I dont even mention cheaters, because back in BF5 era my account got banned for a years from this forum complaining about huge number of cheaters in almost every round.
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I wonder are my only one suffering bad hit registration in BF2042? ( compared to other games). I've been gaming since castle wolfenstein / Original doom and own about all BF titles. I have decent rig ( 7800X3D, rtx 4070 ( overclocked) with loads of fast memory, fast ssd. I play using low latency fiber conn.
Back in the days battlefield games were fun to play. Now in many of the \"lobbies/games\" you join hit registration is not in level one can expect in year 2025. When i say bad hit registration; i mean if i shoot with aimed gun into certain position, players can run through the bullet path without getting any hits and they just one shot kill players. Their characted does not even show that they are pointing a gun at you.
In many cases you get shot meters after you have run behind corner. Your body can be recovered up to 10 meters behind 90 degrees corner. Or if you duck down you get still hit one second after beeing in cover for sure.
I wonder do developers realise, that gunplay is THE most important aspect when developing fps games? I guess they dont! Main points in this franchise has been around \"flying squirrols\" and \"low-iq\" character lines and charms & cosmetics nobody asked.
I dont even mention cheaters, because back in BF5 era my account got banned for a years from this forum complaining about huge number of cheaters in almost every round.
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I wonder are my only one suffering bad hit registration in BF2042? ( compared to other games). I've been gaming since castle wolfenstein / Original doom and own about all BF titles. I have decent rig ( 7800X3D, rtx 4070 ( overclocked) with loads of fast memory, fast ssd. I play using low latency fiber conn.
Back in the days battlefield games were fun to play. Now in many of the \"lobbies/games\" you join hit registration is not in level one can expect in year 2025. When i say bad hit registration; i mean if i shoot with aimed gun into certain position, players can run through the bullet path without getting any hits and they just one shot kill players. Their characted does not even show that they are pointing a gun at you.
In many cases you get shot meters after you have run behind corner. Your body can be recovered up to 10 meters behind 90 degrees corner. Or if you duck down you get still hit one second after beeing in cover for sure.
I wonder do developers realise, that gunplay is THE most important aspect when developing fps games? I guess they dont! Main points in this franchise has been around \"flying squirrols\" and \"low-iq\" character lines and charms & cosmetics nobody asked.
I dont even mention cheaters, because back in BF5 era my account got banned for a years from this forum complaining about huge number of cheaters in almost every round.
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i wonder is EA / DICE taking any part in these discussions? Game has had broken netcode since day 1. Us talking about among players does not really bring any light to tunnel.
For ie. Delta force developers are active and listen to gaming community. Its not perfect either ( cheaters ), but at least they dont hide.
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It's good to have discussions, even if it's seemingly just between players. The more a topic/thread gets replies, the better the chance it gets communicated with the Dev's by a community manager. Like \"Hey, I see a lot of talk about xyx\". I'm not sure if the developers are given allotted time, or choose on their own to scroll through the forums and see what's going on every so often, but imagine its on their radar. This topic has been brought up quite a lot, Dice are aware of this one.
So far from the leaks, it sounds like there's a couple of things that should help a bit, but will not solve the problem entirely.
60 hz Servers. Player positions should be more accurate.
64 Players. Having 128 players on the field means they had to mess around a lot with hit reg to get it to feel acceptable, but not great. Less stress on the servers as well, depending if they use that new overhead on other calculations, like destruction.
Slower player movement. The maximum speed wasn't really the problem for me, but more so how players can move so abruptly, like they lack momentum. Which is something Dice has always played around with since BF3. Personally, I think 2042 has the best feeling movement out of the entire franchise, however, tracking enemies with seemingly impossible movement kills it. I also don't think you should be able to side skip, bunny hop, and get consistent head shots mid air. So I hope they keep what feels good, but clean it up, and add maybe a big of momentum to the characters, or something.
The thing that makes me the most nervous, is they keep Crossplay on by default. I haven't played a single game with Crossplay where the two different platforms felt like they were perfectly synced in the same server. I just don't think it works.
2042 was broken from the start, but it was deeply baked into the game, to a point I doubt they could change without just completely overhauling the game. Like I've mentioned before, 128 players requires a lot of computing power, you have to give up something somewhere else to get that. 128 players will never feel as tight of game play as 64 players with 60 hz servers. It was a cool idea, and it's good to take risks, but wasn't the move in the end.
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I rewatched the Overwatch Game Developers Conference video on how lag compensation works. Overwatch isn't Battlefield but they both use lag compensation and I do remember a Battlefield developer saying when players first join the game server, clock synchronization occurs.
At timestamp -39:47 Overwatch's developer talks about each player having a game clock running locally on their PC/console which is synchronized to the game server's clock. If there's 128 players connected to the game server, then the server is trying to synchronize 128 different clocks.
Battlefield's lag compensation sometimes doesn't sync the game clocks correctly and you'll know it because it'll feel like players see you before you see them and you have no time to react to anything.
I've never had Battlefield's game clock fix itself once it put me behind in reaction time. You would think it would fix itself throughout the match but that hasn't been my experience. Once the game clock puts me behind in reaction time it stays that way throughout the whole match. Or until I close and relaunch the game. Then rejoin the game server again.
I always completely close the game to make sure whatever is messed up gets reset. Turning the PC/console off and then back on is even better. That way everything gets reset.
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This is EXACTLY what I've been experiencing! It's been driving me nuts for years at this point. You can tell something is off, but I didn't know how else to explain other than it felt like I was being put a tick or two behind other players, which is now what you're saying. It's nice to have a bit of validation. People were trying to make it out like I was being conspiratorial or something. This is why it's important for Developers to jump in and clear the air sometimes. Even though I disagree with Respawn's mentality regarding networking, they at least had an article explaining how it worked to a reasonable extent. So, even if it pisses off the community, at least you're being transparent and people can understand what's happening. It's also good for mental health. Anyone that gets a bit competitive with shooters knows what I'm talking about.
I still standby that Console players are being favored by the lag compensation, because it's literally every Console player I encounter kills me instantly. It rarely feels fair when I die to them. It happens with PC players too, but not nearly as consistent as it is with Console players. I've said this before, but I've played against cheaters that felt more legit in other games that eventually got banned than the majority of Console players in 2042.
It's great to see that Blizzard is trying to improve on this issue. Perceived fairness is almost as important as things being fair as possible. I'll have to watch more of that video when I get a chance, really interesting stuff. Thanks again for sharing.
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Please next BF let console play vs console and PC vs PC. I know its not true but man I miss PC vs PC
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Totally agree. The Aim Assist is over tuned as well, and that's in huge part because of crossplay being on by default. Snap to target needs to be reduced back to what it was in previous titles. The reduced recoil for controller players needs to be taken out of the game entirely. Whoever signed off on that one should be kicked in the shin at the beginning of every shift.
The other option is crossplay should be set to off by default. Otherwise, people typically leave settings on their default, and it'll muddy up the player pools again. There's enough players on both PC and Console to support each platform without any crossover.
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i joined today one lobby. Hitregs were just broken. There were players who entered room and headshotted four before we even seen them coming. I have been playing since fps games existed. I guess there has not been any quality management in this game at all.
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Companies are trying to give everyone a \"fair\" experience, even if that individual has a horrible internet connection. If a player is not able to be even slightly competitive, they're not going to stick around, and if they're aren't playing then they certainly are not going to spend money. That's been the mentality for most companies I've seen. That would be tolerable if the whole point of your game, and the satisfaction you gain from playing, didn't entirely derive from winning gunfights.
We have better technology and hardware, yet playing online games haven't felt like they progressed at the same rate because of this mentality. I wasn't around on PC for the Arena era, but it seemed like some of those games were trying to work on that issue. Having a targeted ping would result in having the most accurate experience. Maybe some of the competitive titles like CSGO and Valorant are doing stuff like that, I don't really play them because they're just too **bleep** slow regarding movement.
I feel like I've been playing shooters for decades as well, and the fairness of playing online doesn't feel like it's improved. It probably has greatly in a lot of ways, but hasn't improved in the ways I'd like to see it I guess.
Management gate keeps passion and talent. Companies sole purpose of existence now days is to make increasing profits year over year for shareholders. On top of all that, cheaters are running rampant in every online FPS game. I've seen videos of people interviewing cheaters, testing cheats themselves, talking to cheat sellers, and the conservative estimate of how many people cheat in any given game is anywhere from 20-30+ percent. No one rage hacks anymore, so it's a lot harder to detect if you're playing in the realm of what's possible by a very good player. A perfect storm I guess.
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Make sure you never call out the deltatick99+ that is constantly a problem and this poor hitreg in game or the ignorant just tell you to get gud.
Hitreg is horrendous in 2042 since launch.
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I think rubber banding is the server getting out of sync, so it's resetting players to sync it back up? Same thing you said, I think.
That's kinda what I stated before about it feeling like Console players aren't updating their position as accurately as PC players, generally. There's some PC players that have the same behavior. It's definitely certain players and doesn't seem tied to the server. I'll have trouble killing one particular player, like they won't take the proper amount of damage. Even when I catch them completely off guard standing still.
Well thanks for the information, sounds like you've done a lot of research, and the likely culprit is desync. Which people have been saying, but you gave some more details, like Dice disabling server-side player position corrections. I didn't know that. It would explain how some players seem to just kill you before they're visible on your screen. Ever since I got an OLED monitor, it's become even more evident when it happens. My ping is usually about 30ms too, so not a lot latency regarding my connection.
BF2042 movement looks crazy sometimes, so between that, the lowered 45hz servers, and whatever else they had to do to get 128 players on the field has made for a very inconsistent hit reg experience.
They really need to dial in the movement lurching for the next game in my opinion as well. There's times when I do a slide jump, and it launches me what feels like 15-20 feet, and I've seen others do it. There's some players doing weird jumping patterns back and forth that I can't replicate, like switching directions how they do feels impossible. However, when watching their stream, it looks completely different, like it looks how I play. So I don't know anymore.
I just want games to feel fair online.
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