I flew jets a ton in BF2, BF3 and a little bit in BF4, and while I loved the mechanics of dogfighting, there is no doubt that jet battles became a little stale towards the end of BF4. Dogfighting came down to who could keep their speed as close to 313mph as they went around and around in circles. It's been this way since BF2 as far as I remember. I believe that putting a mechanic in the game around limitations on pilots to g-forces can solve a lot of the monotony around flying jets. When a pilot experiences G's in 2042, there should be a black outline that shows up on the screen. The longer that pilot is turning at very high G's, the more that black outline should form around the screen. If the pilot pulls G's for too long, they should "Pass out" momentarily. The screen should go black and there should be a momentary loss of control of the aircraft.This would not only add a bit of realism, but it would also make pilots be tactical around when they pull high G turns. In order to be good in a Jet, you'll have to do more than turning left at 313mph. I've heard that the whole "black outline" may already be a feature in BF2042, however I think it is worth taking things a step further and "Penalizing" pilots who are constantly taking sharp turns and going in circles.I know it's late stage and there probably isn't enough time to implement this, but I was thinking about it yesterday and thought it was worth mentioning. Thoughts?

313 have been gone since BF4They changed mechanics in BF1 and even more in BFV. The only way you could shake off an enemy plane in BFV was to go high and "Stall"BFV was probably the worst air play in the BF series. Dogfight was largely non-existentI'm excited to see how they handle BF2042.

@Toastymalone88313 is already gone, and while limiting G might seem like a good, no idea whether it will work in practice, instead making dogfights better, maybe people will just do what they did in bf v and just go stall fight, obviously you could also fix that, but then you're going towards a more realistic approach to jets, not sure if that is viable for game like battlefield, especially since all other games still would be very arcade.the issue with "tactical" changes to make game more complex is that it sometimes doesn't produce the desired results, for example with tanks in V, which were more sluggish and weaker in cqc compared to others battlefield (plus attrition, and more assault players), requiring more teamwork from infantry and tactical awareness to do well in tanks, atleast that seemed to be the idea, instead players adopted a long range camping playstyle to compensate for this,in the case for jets in battlefield 2042, blackouts might be great in practice or it could absolutely kill air to air combat fun too (depending on the other jet mechanics)

@frantaypsthat only works that well because the other pilots are pretty terrible, if they knew how to break off to use the speed they have turn around him while he bleeds off his speed, he would still die, instead they get too greedy/excited and just follow him and crash, good flying thoughthat being said it's rare to find really good pilots in battlefield V, most of the good battlefield pilots stayed in 3/4/1 or just left V, in my own experience I barely find good pilots in matches compared to older games, good pilots as in good in air to air combat, there enough pilots in V that are good in air to ground though

@IcemangoooWhen BFV dogfighting became a silly who gets rear aspect first wins game, it was immediately boring. Having effectively zero options in any part of the game is ultimately not good design.I am hopeful that Battlefield 2042 does much better, but I am not confident that will happen.

So another game of turning circles until someone loses the will to live?

Idea for Jet pilot Limitation | EA Forums

33 Replies

SirBobdk
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
313 have been gone since BF4
They changed mechanics in BF1 and even more in BFV. The only way you could shake off an enemy plane in BFV was to go high and "Stall"

BFV was probably the worst air play in the BF series. Dogfight was largely non-existent
I'm excited to see how they handle BF2042.
Trokey66
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Toastymalone88 It lways amazed me that G lock wasn't a mechanic but hey.....
Toastymalone88
4 years ago
@Trokey66 I knew there had to be an actual term for it other than "Pilot go night night." I probably should have looked around first.
Trokey66
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Toastymalone88 Pilots go night night sounds better 😂🤣😂
Icemangooo
4 years ago
@Toastymalone88313 is already gone, and while limiting G might seem like a good, no idea whether it will work in practice, instead making dogfights better, maybe people will just do what they did in bf v and just go stall fight, obviously you could also fix that, but then you're going towards a more realistic approach to jets, not sure if that is viable for game like battlefield, especially since all other games still would be very arcade.
the issue with "tactical" changes to make game more complex is that it sometimes doesn't produce the desired results, for example with tanks in V, which were more sluggish and weaker in cqc compared to others battlefield (plus attrition, and more assault players), requiring more teamwork from infantry and tactical awareness to do well in tanks, atleast that seemed to be the idea, instead players adopted a long range camping playstyle to compensate for this,
in the case for jets in battlefield 2042, blackouts might be great in practice or it could absolutely kill air to air combat fun too (depending on the other jet mechanics)
neplasimse
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@SirBobdk not entirly true, the stalling is the noob "technique". also the high altitude perk. When it comes to experienced pilots, knowing your plane and how it turns, the way down is the option to go.
Nicely captured here:
Icemangooo
4 years ago
@frantaypsthat only works that well because the other pilots are pretty terrible, if they knew how to break off to use the speed they have turn around him while he bleeds off his speed, he would still die, instead they get too greedy/excited and just follow him and crash, good flying though
that being said it's rare to find really good pilots in battlefield V, most of the good battlefield pilots stayed in 3/4/1 or just left V, in my own experience I barely find good pilots in matches compared to older games, good pilots as in good in air to air combat, there enough pilots in V that are good in air to ground though
neplasimse
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
yes, i am sorry i need to adjust your sentence there a bit:
instead of: there enough pilots in V that are good in air to ground though
i would use:there enough pilots in V that are good in air to ground with rockets though
SirBobdk
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@frantayps Using Friendly4 is maybe not the best eksempel. Very few could do like him and he is much more than just experienced. I do get your point though.
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@IcemangoooWhen BFV dogfighting became a silly who gets rear aspect first wins game, it was immediately boring. Having effectively zero options in any part of the game is ultimately not good design.

I am hopeful that Battlefield 2042 does much better, but I am not confident that will happen.