How is it ok that lis only has access to 40%of her class gadgets.
Yea. Whe is being used by default but only because crawford and boris are F tier specialists with useless gadgets that are specific to them
Yep, engineers are in a very weird (in a bad way) place right now.
As I was saying in this thread,
Want to encourage players to use Engineer class? Here's how. - Answer HQ (ea.com)
Lis should have her "Lissle" (since it's her specialist "ability") AND the other rockets in the engineer class as well.
She can't be resupplied via an ammo box and her "Lissle" takes forever to reload and until that reload timer expires, she might as well run and grab donuts for the rest of her squad.
And Crawford and Boris need some sort of an offensive buff as well, my suggestions are in the that thread I posted a link to, feel free to add yours.
Yeah its all a bit of a mess right now. I agree that locking Lis out of 50% of her gadgets isn't great but on the other hand allowing her to have the AA missile, the recoilless or the Javelin in combination with her TV missile would surely bring on a tsunami of tears and she's already the number one pick over Boris and Crawford.
Paik has a similar issue. Maybe it's just me but I'm failing to see a synergy between her close range EMG-X scanner and her long range sniper rifle proficiency. It's almost as if she too has to make a sacrifice with one or the other. She really belongs in the assault class IMO with assault class proficiencies.
Paiks an easy fix. Lis, Crawford and Boris need a major rethink.
@Ironhead841 wrote:Yep, engineers are in a very weird (in a bad way) place right now.
As I was saying in this thread,
Want to encourage players to use Engineer class? Here's how. - Answer HQ (ea.com)
Lis should have her "Lissle" (since it's her specialist "ability") AND the other rockets in the engineer class as well.
She can't be resupplied via an ammo box and her "Lissle" takes forever to reload and until that reload timer expires, she might as well run and grab donuts for the rest of her squad.
And Crawford and Boris need some sort of an offensive buff as well, my suggestions are in the that thread I posted a link to, feel free to add yours.
No. Lis would be soloing all vehicles then. While the amount of gadgets she is locked out of is unfair, Not Missiles.
How often do you see me defend pilots!!!!
The hyperbole surrounding her being OP is laughable, ok sure she can one-shot the Littlebird and the stealth helo, but she is nothing more than a mild annoyance to every other vehicle in the game.
She can't even take out a jeep unless it's stupid enough to stay still for TWO shots!
Engineers right now are almost a throw away class, with little to no offensive capabilities other than Lis's "ability" which due to its extremely long reload time makes her meh at best.
Also, unless you get the "vehicle destroyed" shot you get no score, her "Lissle" is basically a "finisher" shot not a viable offensive tool.
If you fire off both of her shots, you're basically done as an offensive engineer for the next few minutes, she needs access to more offensive tools i.e., more rockets period.
And Crawford and Boris in their current form aren't even worth using at all, Rao was the obvious choice (to literally EVERYONE other than EA/Dice it would seem) for engineer and the only real viable specialist for an offensive engineer.
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
@Ironhead841 wrote:
Yep, engineers are in a very weird (in a bad way) place right now.
As I was saying in this thread,
Want to encourage players to use Engineer class? Here's how. - Answer HQ (ea.com)
Lis should have her "Lissle" (since it's her specialist "ability") AND the other rockets in the engineer class as well.
She can't be resupplied via an ammo box and her "Lissle" takes forever to reload and until that reload timer expires, she might as well run and grab donuts for the rest of her squad.
And Crawford and Boris need some sort of an offensive buff as well, my suggestions are in the that thread I posted a link to, feel free to add yours.
No. Lis would be soloing all vehicles then. While the amount of gadgets she is locked out of is unfair, Not Missiles.
How often do you see me defend pilots!!!!
They need more engineer gadgets then because Lis is just in a weird spot. Perhaps bringing back the BF4 AA mine that she could use would help a bit but overall something needs to be done to address her specialist gadgets limitation extreme limitation.
@PsubondI also mentioned this before the patch.
Instead of restricting Lis from using M5, FXAA, or the Javelin, why not just do what they did with Assault and the Med Pen, and only give her one? Then you make it a shared cooldown with her G84. To me, that just made too much sense. Come on EA/DICE, this is not like trying to figure out how to shoot down a Chinese Spy Balloon. This is the correct path to make Lis more useful than a long range Engineer.
@Adamonic wrote:@PsubondI also mentioned this before the patch.
Instead of restricting Lis from using M5, FXAA, or the Javelin, why not just do what they did with Assault and the Med Pen, and only give her one? Then you make it a shared cooldown with her G84. To me, that just made too much sense. Come on EA/DICE, this is not like trying to figure out how to shoot down a Chinese Spy Balloon. This is the correct path to make Lis more useful than a long range Engineer.
LMAO!
@Ironhead841I agree 100%.
Unless you're in a round where your team has multiple highly coordinated squads on comms the pilots are still able to remain airbone for a long time. I'm simply not encountering matches where Lis or Rao are having significant effect on Air than they were prior to 3.2. In fact, with the buffs to engineer repair, and people looking to obtain T1 eng class badges, I'm seeing Condors and transport heli staying up even longer than before.
High-skill pilot mains are going to be in more difficult lobbies on average too. Because they will typically have a higher skill rating. DICE has a proprietary skill rating. It is based on your percentile position in a combination of statistics such as SBM, KPM, K/D, and overall kills, score, etc. This skill rating used to be visible to players in earlier titles. SBMM is happening.
There is a lot of lobbying and attempts to control the narrative here. Hoping that DICE isn't swayed and sticks to the data.
Yeah, the reality in-game is nowhere near what a lot of these heli pilots try to claim, either that or I am the unluckiest BF player in existence as my team still seem to be getting smoked pretty regularly by aircraft, particularly by transports and stealth helis.
I would hope EA/Dice wouldn't implement SBMM without telling their player base, if that were indeed the case, I would have never bought this game.
