No mention of the previously mentioned nerf to Lis against air vehicles in the 6.2 patch notes.So I'm wondering 3 things:Why? Lis is the ONLY infantry effective counter for air vehicles!When (if not in 6.2 update)?What? What will the nerf be?If Lis rocket is to be nerfed against air vehicles (again), how are infantry meant to counter air vehicles? All other supposed infantry AA weapons are easily countered or dodged by even an unskilled pilot (pop flares, run away, return when flares replenish). Even the Lis missile currently can be dodged fairly easily due to the poor sensitivity controls for the missile (previous nerf).So, DICE, what are we meant to do once Lis is nerfed again?*cue the pilots comments about it being a skill issue (not the issue) and teamwork is needed etc. for which there is no reward in this game. It relies too heavily on an organised squad uninterested in K/D, with the perfect loadout selection to be effective against air vehicles, and that just doesn't happen....

@X-Sunslayer-XI honestly would not consider the current Liz able to easily destroy vehicles alone. The armor needs more hits than she can carry while the aircraft is plain hard to hit.As a heli pilot I just /shrug and barrel roll out of the TV missile's way.

@X-Sunslayer-XYou forgot about the revamped Rao hack ability.That thing can disrupt a vehicle so badly that it becomes a much easier target to any direct attacks.Lis is fine vs aircraft though, maybe even not good enough for those agile nightbirds.It was the other two engineers that needed to get on her level, not the other way around.

I can think of a few things that need nerfing, LIS is not one of them.JMHO

@Man_iLoveFishing "Ohk penalty is too high for vehicles". "I rarely do 0ish death"You don't get to be immune from being killed just because you're in a vehicle.Infantry players & ground vehicle users are probably hitting 20 to 40 deaths in a normal round, so why is dying 5 times in an air vehicle bad?It's like air mains think they're playing a singleplayer flight sim, not a multiplayer game.Get some perspective, air vehicles are the most overpowered vehicles in the game, you can't get that and have twitch sweats going 100-0 every round and then complain that once in a blue moon you get one hit killed because you flew straight into a liz missile or railgun shot.If an infantry player asked for:1) One hit immunity from snipers2) Not able to be targetted at a certain distance to an enemy3) A special button that creates a magic effect where nothing can hit me.4) being able to wipe out anythign in the game in one burst of fireI'd be laughed at.But air mains think those things are normal.

@SkyL4Ncer21yeah, and I'm here to complain about camping air mains and their overpowered vehicles because it's hurting the game."And you didn't address the core issue an anti tank weapon should not be main counter against aircraft."It's the "main counter" because every other weapon has been nerfed to oblivion by overpowered air counters.The wildcat and stinger missiles are useless because of magic flares that auto break lock and reload in 5 seconds. The wildcat gun can't aim upward properly so any vehicle can come in from above and obliterate it without a counter. Every other AA weapon has constantly recieved damage, range, ROF, overheating nerfs that make it impossible to get kills with.If ground AA was powerful like it should be (afterall, it's entire point if countering air) you'd be crying about it just like every pilot does no matter what weapon kills them:Fligerfaust - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfTGM - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfTOR - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfBofors/Pom Poms - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfStinger - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfWildcat gun - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfRadar missiles - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfAA Mines - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfEvery single AA weapon that's ever existed in battlefield has been subject of constant whines and complaints from air mains to nerf them until they are useless.The fact of the matter is that Air mains like you want to play a game where they can go 100-0 with no threats (because air mains don't attack other air mains), and farm infantry & ground vehicles for an entire round without a single risk of death from the ground.They get magic flares.They get magic weapon reloads.They get magic repairs.They can crash into buildings and trees and the ground and don't explode.They get to pick wherever they attack on the map.When they don't get their way, they come here and whine for more and more nerfs.

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X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@MADMAC50K There are so many ways of dealing with air-vehicles
Wildcat with
Maingun
Minigun
AA lock on rockets
60mm FLak Pod
Brawler
APDS
Minigun
20mm Flak Cannon
LATV/Hovercraft
Minigun
20mm Flak
Tanks
Main gun if you can hit it
Minigun/HMG
MAV
50mm
HMG
Flak pod
40mm Canister
on top, you can now shoot the Nightbird, stealth heli, and Jet with your main gun without using AP ammo. The problem is Liz is just way too convenient. It caters to the absolute lowest possible neron activation...
The problem is the average player does not care for the rest of the team... One recon with a Soflam can stall the progress of any heli by keeping it constantly spotted and targeted. but this community has the following motto: if everyone thinks of themselves, everyone is thought after
MADMAC50K
2 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-XI'm talking about infantry counters - not other vehicles. I shouldn't need to use another vehicle to damage aircraft, if AA weapons exist in the game.

Also - the damage from primary weapons since 6.1 update is laughable. Most guns do between 0.15-0.16 damage, meaning an average 41 round mag does a massive 6 damage! And only from a distance of 80m or less. So yeah, utterly useless....
Ohh SOFLAM keeping a pilot constantly spotted? How much damage does that do.....? 😉
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
2 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-X
You forgot about the revamped Rao hack ability.
That thing can disrupt a vehicle so badly that it becomes a much easier target to any direct attacks.
Lis is fine vs aircraft though, maybe even not good enough for those agile nightbirds.
It was the other two engineers that needed to get on her level, not the other way around.
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye ture
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@MADMAC50K what makes you believe its balanced for one infantry player on the ground needing to have the ability to easily destroy any vehicle? its much harder to fly a heli and aim simultaneously than for someone to use a POV rocket with insane speed and mobility....
do you see the discrepancy`?
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
2 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-X
I honestly would not consider the current Liz able to easily destroy vehicles alone. The armor needs more hits than she can carry while the aircraft is plain hard to hit.
As a heli pilot I just /shrug and barrel roll out of the TV missile's way.
MADMAC50K
2 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye takes too long to hack (like AA lock ons), most pilots pop flares before the hack is complete (which stops the hack)....
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye its easier to use Liz than it is to use the M5 or RPG to dumbfire them its way...
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
2 years ago
@MADMAC50K
I am quite certain that the revamped Rao's mobility effect is independent of the flares.
The only way to counter it is with the cyber warfare suite at the expense of the instant repair.
@X-Sunslayer-X Yes, it IS easier compared to the dumbfire rockets. But something being easier than 1 in a 100 chance to hit does not mean it is easy.
Though, I have a person in my platoon who feels more comfortable hitting careless helis with the M5 recoiless than liz.
MADMAC50K
2 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-X is it balanced that a pilot and gunner can easily farm infantry (and most vehicles) mostly unopposed, whilst constantly receiving improves and buffs from DICE, and nerf to possible counters? Even jets tend to leave other air vehicles alone these days, much easier to target ground targets...

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