No mention of the previously mentioned nerf to Lis against air vehicles in the 6.2 patch notes.So I'm wondering 3 things:Why? Lis is the ONLY infantry effective counter for air vehicles!When (if not in 6.2 update)?What? What will the nerf be?If Lis rocket is to be nerfed against air vehicles (again), how are infantry meant to counter air vehicles? All other supposed infantry AA weapons are easily countered or dodged by even an unskilled pilot (pop flares, run away, return when flares replenish). Even the Lis missile currently can be dodged fairly easily due to the poor sensitivity controls for the missile (previous nerf).So, DICE, what are we meant to do once Lis is nerfed again?*cue the pilots comments about it being a skill issue (not the issue) and teamwork is needed etc. for which there is no reward in this game. It relies too heavily on an organised squad uninterested in K/D, with the perfect loadout selection to be effective against air vehicles, and that just doesn't happen....

@X-Sunslayer-XI honestly would not consider the current Liz able to easily destroy vehicles alone. The armor needs more hits than she can carry while the aircraft is plain hard to hit.As a heli pilot I just /shrug and barrel roll out of the TV missile's way.

@X-Sunslayer-XYou forgot about the revamped Rao hack ability.That thing can disrupt a vehicle so badly that it becomes a much easier target to any direct attacks.Lis is fine vs aircraft though, maybe even not good enough for those agile nightbirds.It was the other two engineers that needed to get on her level, not the other way around.

I can think of a few things that need nerfing, LIS is not one of them.JMHO

@Man_iLoveFishing "Ohk penalty is too high for vehicles". "I rarely do 0ish death"You don't get to be immune from being killed just because you're in a vehicle.Infantry players & ground vehicle users are probably hitting 20 to 40 deaths in a normal round, so why is dying 5 times in an air vehicle bad?It's like air mains think they're playing a singleplayer flight sim, not a multiplayer game.Get some perspective, air vehicles are the most overpowered vehicles in the game, you can't get that and have twitch sweats going 100-0 every round and then complain that once in a blue moon you get one hit killed because you flew straight into a liz missile or railgun shot.If an infantry player asked for:1) One hit immunity from snipers2) Not able to be targetted at a certain distance to an enemy3) A special button that creates a magic effect where nothing can hit me.4) being able to wipe out anythign in the game in one burst of fireI'd be laughed at.But air mains think those things are normal.

@SkyL4Ncer21yeah, and I'm here to complain about camping air mains and their overpowered vehicles because it's hurting the game."And you didn't address the core issue an anti tank weapon should not be main counter against aircraft."It's the "main counter" because every other weapon has been nerfed to oblivion by overpowered air counters.The wildcat and stinger missiles are useless because of magic flares that auto break lock and reload in 5 seconds. The wildcat gun can't aim upward properly so any vehicle can come in from above and obliterate it without a counter. Every other AA weapon has constantly recieved damage, range, ROF, overheating nerfs that make it impossible to get kills with.If ground AA was powerful like it should be (afterall, it's entire point if countering air) you'd be crying about it just like every pilot does no matter what weapon kills them:Fligerfaust - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfTGM - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfTOR - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfBofors/Pom Poms - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfStinger - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfWildcat gun - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfRadar missiles - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfAA Mines - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerfEvery single AA weapon that's ever existed in battlefield has been subject of constant whines and complaints from air mains to nerf them until they are useless.The fact of the matter is that Air mains like you want to play a game where they can go 100-0 with no threats (because air mains don't attack other air mains), and farm infantry & ground vehicles for an entire round without a single risk of death from the ground.They get magic flares.They get magic weapon reloads.They get magic repairs.They can crash into buildings and trees and the ground and don't explode.They get to pick wherever they attack on the map.When they don't get their way, they come here and whine for more and more nerfs.

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Man_iLoveFishing
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
But coming here to cry about us is not toxic cause you refuse to use vehicles that can counter?
AiRPasterNaK
Rising Veteran
2 years ago
@MackTKau And? What's the point there's no rule that says you can't sit in the spawn menu waiting for a vehicle...

Devs never said you shouldnt do it, if anything they would encourage it, a vehicle sitting in the base is useless...

I already saw multiple matches lost because 2 tanks were sitting in spawn doing nothing but being an ornament in the menu.

And you didn't address the core issue an anti tank weapon should not be main counter against aircraft.
That's the job of wildcat and stinger and maybe the TOR tank with it's massive bullet velocity.
MackTKau
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@SkyL4Ncer21yeah, and I'm here to complain about camping air mains and their overpowered vehicles because it's hurting the game.

"And you didn't address the core issue an anti tank weapon should not be main counter against aircraft."
It's the "main counter" because every other weapon has been nerfed to oblivion by overpowered air counters.

The wildcat and stinger missiles are useless because of magic flares that auto break lock and reload in 5 seconds. The wildcat gun can't aim upward properly so any vehicle can come in from above and obliterate it without a counter. Every other AA weapon has constantly recieved damage, range, ROF, overheating nerfs that make it impossible to get kills with.

If ground AA was powerful like it should be (afterall, it's entire point if countering air) you'd be crying about it just like every pilot does no matter what weapon kills them:

Fligerfaust - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
TGM - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
TOR - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
Bofors/Pom Poms - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
Stinger - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
Wildcat gun - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
Radar missiles - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf
AA Mines - No skill noob weapon, nerf nerf nerf

Every single AA weapon that's ever existed in battlefield has been subject of constant whines and complaints from air mains to nerf them until they are useless.

The fact of the matter is that Air mains like you want to play a game where they can go 100-0 with no threats (because air mains don't attack other air mains), and farm infantry & ground vehicles for an entire round without a single risk of death from the ground.

They get magic flares.
They get magic weapon reloads.
They get magic repairs.
They can crash into buildings and trees and the ground and don't explode.
They get to pick wherever they attack on the map.

When they don't get their way, they come here and whine for more and more nerfs.
Man_iLoveFishing
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@MackTKau Same way does infantry talk. Its your opinion and what youve felt. Stop derailing this anyways. I gave reasons, facts and you are giving whine.
pumpingiron1975
Rising Newcomer
10 months ago
Just sad to see the kill streaks from heli and planes, good job EA.
EA_Barry
Community Manager
10 months ago
pumpingiron1975

This is an old thread, I will lock it but feel free to create a new topic, thanks.

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