Next Feedback Loop Category

@Adamonic 

Doesn't seem to really matter what we want; they're only swooping in and commenting on a very limited number of topics while not addressing others.

Just one example, there's a half-dozen threads related to the janky matchmaking, servers and server browsers and so far absolute silence or any "official response" on those.

Would love to know what their priorities are at this point and what their "vision" going forward is.

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@frekwalda1 wrote:
@AdamonicWell as we have had numerous topics on MM and persistent servers on here, and lots of people can not join a game or mode they want to play anytime they want.
The first feedback loop should have been about that, but lets hope the next one is about getting a proper server browser and servers running 24/7 in all regions of the world and drop the player count for when players can play.
I think right now with 128 player servers they will not fill them to what is needed for the server to start, just have 64 player servers and say 16-20 players join server starts. Plus map rotation so you can play more than one map over and over again.

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The next feedback loop should undoubtedly be about feed back in relation to MM. 

Unfortunately I very much doubt they will ever do that as they have enough evidence already with all the threads on the forums.

I can't imagine more than a handful of players would actually prefer MM over the previous Server Browser / Persistent Servers system we were used to in previous BF'S.

For that reason I think it is much more likely to be about Specialists.

They shouldn't need to have a feedback loop about MM... The problems are so glaringly obvious it would be truly a sad sight if they needed feedback on that...

I hope the next feedback loop starts with "so we're doing away with specialists, what would you guys like to see for classes?"

Not gonna happen though :D

I totally agree we shouldn't need a feedback loop for MM and Server Browser, however, most of the topics shouldn't need input from the community either. At most, if someone had some cool ideas for custom game modes.

Maybe they just don't know, if they are younger developers, maybe they grew up in an MM world. However, not only does a Server Browser give you some control over how/where/when you play, it also brings the community together.

Just say I was going to play C128, but instead of using MM, I go to the Server Browser and see that a lot of people are playing BT64. I may change my mind and join them instead. A lot of times I would just go to the server with one or two slots open playing a map I want to play.

That is the other thing, MM doesn't allow you to choose the map you want to play on.

Finally, some people, depending on the region and when they play, can't play at all, ever, because of MM. This is borderline criminal.

So adding a SB would be a huge step to bring some people back. I know I would play more with one. 

I'm surprised they still don't have one up. Like...are we gonna be on a monthly cadence?

The continued lack of any urgency from DICE to fix this deeply flawed game continue to astound me. Like, at this rate I'm expecting a new coat of paint by S1, not them fixing any actual problems under the hood with this game.

@edgecrusherO0i really hope they don't wait too long. It is a passive step to collect the data for the next topic. All they have to do is pose a few more design questions for another area of the game that they would like feedback on.

If it is not going to be MM/Server Browser or Squad Management, I assume it is going to be about the Specialists.

If that is the case, I can see a few scenarios.

1. Do nothing

2. Class lock Specialists for gadgets only (11 gadgets - 2 per class, 3 common). I could see them doing something like this. Just restrict some Specialists from equipping specific gadgets.

3. Class lock Specialists for weapons only (have some overlap, each class can have 2 weapon types), wouldn't make much sense, but possible.

4. Class lock Specialists for both weapons and gadgets (11 gadgets - 2 per class, 3 common; have some overlap, each class can have 2 weapon types). This obviously puts the Specialist completely back into their respective classes. This obviously makes the most sense, but I doubt they do it. 

1 or 2 seem the most likely. Thoughts?

@Adamonic

Those 'feedback loops' are NOT designed to capture feedback, but to keep the community busy posting and suggesting improvements here, feeling they could contribute or change the course development is taking. NOTHING will come of it!

As far as the map feedback is concerned, they knew before the first post in the feedback thread what we thought about the game in general and map design in detail. Nothing really 'new' as far as I could see (did not read all posts though) was posted. So, they will provide a summary after as long time has passed before we are getting angry that there is no progress and that will contain no specific information that was not already in the first post that they made when starting the 'loop' and requesting feedback (my prediction, but I am willing to bet on that one).

They already said that the results will be a rework of the existing maps ONE MAP AT A TIME!?. AFER S1 has started.

I don't know what the next topic will be precisely, but I can guarantee it will be the one thing many here will be able and willing to post lots of suggestions and the stuff suggested will certainly be something they will not implement or that takes 'too much time and effort'. Or they pick something where the community is split in half regarding their wishes. so they keep us busy discussing and will still not have to change anything.

Why am I so certain? Most of you have read the proposals (e.g. this one) some of us have posted, giving Dice an easy way to improve the experience for all the remaining players without too much effort.  We have asked for (kind of begged for) this to be implemented or at least commented upon. Yet, there was ZERO! reaction from any of the CMs @PartWeIsh @Straatford87 

They have read those requests and actively decided to stay silent. They could have ACTUALLY done something and chose to ignore us, while at the same time managing our frustrations by keeping us busy suggesting improvements they know will never be implemented.

There will be a feedback loop for specialists (already confirmed). Do you honestly think they will remove them, even if 90% of us ask them to do that? I would be surprised if they at least (finally) remove the voice lines at the end of round (something 99% of us have asked for ... the remaining 1% is younger than 16 and should not even play the game).

Those are my predictions. I certainly hope I am proven wrong, but I would suggest keeping a bookmark to this post and pull it back out in summer to see if I was right.