I know that I will probably get some hate for this, but I think that the gunplay has become too 'good' (I play on PC btw).The recoil-fix has really improved the gunplay a lot, aiming has become easier after the patch and the effective range of weapons have increased a lot (at least LMGs/ARs).The gunplay really feels good, but combined with the awful netcode, any chance of escaping gun-fire has almost disappeared now. The TTD feels more like playing hardcore BF than 'normal' BF.I'm personally not a fan of a lot of spread (like BF1/BF4) but then perhaps some randomness to recoil (I know that is bad too, but still better than spread), like in BFV.BFV ended up having good gun-play with reasonable TTK/TTD and perhaps they should look more at how that was balanced.

@cso7777 TTK / TTD has been broke since release. Fixing the recoil bug is great, however being beaned by a package of bullets is coding not recoil. It’s the online compensation that Dice has created that needs to be fixed IMO.

@cso7777 TTK/TTD doesn't really match up on PS or XBox with any regular consistency so I can only imagine this is going to make an already strained netcode even worse.I imagine Dice will make some alterations to gun play, although given how popular BF4 & BF1 were I think they'll add spread. The gunplay in BFV was quite a contentious topic as I remember it, not to mention the changes that caused uproar within the community.

@BFB-PraetorianI don't think they should increase the TTK by lowering damage, then we just get the problem of 'bullet-sponging' and making the guns feels like pea-shooters (like some of the failed BFV-TTK-experiments from Dice).But I think that making the guns harder to control, would be the ideal solution. This could be done by increasing recoil (in automatic fire especially). Perhaps we could even bring back tap-fire (like in BF4).

@OskooI_007 I think the spread during the longer burst is a good idea but I think it needs to be more than just tweaking the accuracy of these weapons. Each type of weapon should have different traits. For example, with the SMG should be good hip firing and accurate to about 20m any distance after that they can't hit anything accurately(you could also add a moment bonus because of the size of most SMGs). Have the ARs be good close to mid-range but with a slower ADS, less accurate hip fire, and depending on the AR if it is good long distance. Bring the suppression mechanic back to the LMGs with the caveat that they are only really accurate with a bipod and prone to overheat. As for sniper rifles, they should be accurate only in crouching and prone but not able to rapidly fire accurate shots in succession. Marksmen Rifles can be a toss-up between ARs and Sniper Rifles.

@cso7777BF5 guns had the luxury of low RPM thanks to WW2 settings. There were no ARs/SMGs with 40+ round mags firing at 800-1000 round per minute. So even if a weapon had super fast RPM such as M2 Carbine or FG42, they usually had low mags and higher recoil.There were of course MMGs. I think people still haven't forgiven Dice this unholy playstyle of camping in a corner with a laser-accurate weapon that had no recoil and 200 rounds at the readyBut I do agree with you. After this patch it became very easy to control the recoil. I'd say bumping recoil for some of the high RPM guns like M5A3 with a short barrel, AW40, Avancys and such by 5-10% wouldn't be a bad change.

Nice recoil fix - but effective TTK is perhaps a little too low now.

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BFB-Praetorian
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@cso7777 TTK/TTD doesn't really match up on PS or XBox with any regular consistency so I can only imagine this is going to make an already strained netcode even worse.
I imagine Dice will make some alterations to gun play, although given how popular BF4 & BF1 were I think they'll add spread. The gunplay in BFV was quite a contentious topic as I remember it, not to mention the changes that caused uproar within the community.
YourLocalPIumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@cso7777BF5 guns had the luxury of low RPM thanks to WW2 settings. There were no ARs/SMGs with 40+ round mags firing at 800-1000 round per minute. So even if a weapon had super fast RPM such as M2 Carbine or FG42, they usually had low mags and higher recoil.

There were of course MMGs. I think people still haven't forgiven Dice this unholy playstyle of camping in a corner with a laser-accurate weapon that had no recoil and 200 rounds at the ready

But I do agree with you. After this patch it became very easy to control the recoil. I'd say bumping recoil for some of the high RPM guns like M5A3 with a short barrel, AW40, Avancys and such by 5-10% wouldn't be a bad change.
cso7777
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@BFB-PraetorianI don't think they should increase the TTK by lowering damage, then we just get the problem of 'bullet-sponging' and making the guns feels like pea-shooters (like some of the failed BFV-TTK-experiments from Dice).

But I think that making the guns harder to control, would be the ideal solution. This could be done by increasing recoil (in automatic fire especially). Perhaps we could even bring back tap-fire (like in BF4).
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@cso7777 So the game feels better now, let’s mess with it?

The fix is for consistency. If you’re aiming better, then maybe you’re just clicking more with the game. It doesn’t feel ANY different to me personally. Maybe a back to back test I could feel it, but it’s nothing perceivable in game while fighting people. I’m usually very sensitive to these kinds of things too.

They tried the high spread thing on release, it felt terrible. Random recoil? That sounds like a disaster. How about give it a week or two first. Track your stats and see if it actually has affected you at all.

I still have hit reg issues. Console players seem to kill me before I can even react to them in a head on 1v1. Controller players have reduced recoil to begin with. I feel like these are better starting points before messing with recoil, spread, and other things to make the guns feel less accurate. Like why? I can’t wrap my head around it.

The TTK feels pretty spot on and I think it’s fine where it is. If I had to choose between increasing or lowering TTK I’d always vote for higher/longer because it gives you more time to react rather then it being who sees who first.
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@cso7777 TTK / TTD has been broke since release. Fixing the recoil bug is great, however being beaned by a package of bullets is coding not recoil. It’s the online compensation that Dice has created that needs to be fixed IMO.
BtheReaper49
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@cso7777 Agreed but it's probably relative anway. If you're beaming enemies then they're just beaming you right back. Since you play on PC maybe you think you get even more of an advantage? If that's where you're going with this then maybe you're right. I think PC players have an advantage to begin with but that's a debate for another post.
Now that they've fixed recoil maybe they can work on redoing most of the maps, adding a server browser, letting players form squads, and a whole host of other issues that plague this game.
cso7777
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@ATFGunrI fully agree on your points about the netcode. It is really bad.

But the netcode will never be fixed, BFV had bad netcode with a higher tick-rate and lower player-count (Dice please let me be wrong...).

I think the game would be a little more fun, with just a tad higher TTK, it will perhaps even make the bad netcode just a little more tolerable.
Gibl3ts
Rising Vanguard
3 years ago
Interesting that the previous recoil was a bug? . . .
Game is now easy mode then?
Nice.
CarreraLuu
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@cso7777 the TTK is fine imo.
cso7777
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@CarreraLuu I really don't think so.

Because the recoil is so controllable, killing enemies at 50+ meters, using automatic fire, is way too easy now.

In earlier titles recoil/spread made sure that full auto wasn't as effective at longer ranges, that is almost totally gone now in 2042.