Nightbird's miniguns are FAR too effective against Jets (and attack choppers)

@UP_Hawxxeye 
I disagree. Prior to the nerf, I found the TGM far too easy to use despite barely having any previous experience using it. Recently, a nightbird and jet pilot teamed up against me and won; so, I spawned as Lis and got both of them shortly afterwards (nightbird pilot is a pro and jet pilot is def above average). It's still overpowered against attack choppers IMO but not gonna talk too much about TGM performance here...

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@Wargame_Enj0yer wrote:

Next to the miniguns, I'd like to point to the UFO-like physics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/135bcs7/most_targeted_pilot_in_battlefield/?sort=new

Why on earth Liz was nerfed and Nightbird stayed the same beats me. Especially console players got shafted with the Liz missile turnnerf.

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Keyboard lost the agility as well.  They essentially made Lis a recoil with half the range

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

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It is not a case of the Lissile being particularly effective vs moronic aircraft pilots who hover and do not move..

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Fixed that for you Hawxxeye.     And when I say move, it takes 1 to 2 degrees and Lis cannot adjust the missile in time.   To put it frankly

If you're getting hit my Lis missiles, you suck at flying.  Period.  Simply stop hovering and you win.  

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

 

Even pre nerf, the Lissile would never hit my jets unless I did something STUPID like this

Tree and Lissile synergy - YouTube

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The only way I hit jets was when they circled a building and I came from the other side.   And that was about a 1/100 success rate.

@Padding_Ur_Stats 
Skill issue. Again, I can hit good pilots with the TGM despite not having used the lissile that much - it's my way of getting cheap kills tbh. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kXjRO415B0 - that was when I had just started using the lissile. The lissile in its current state is actually better than chopper wire-guided missiles. Prior to the nerf, you could loop around and try to hit the target again if you missed - imagine thinking that was OK. 

@EA_Leeuw 
Please consider this thread for the upcoming Jet Rework.

I've only used the nightbird for about 15 hours and until recently, I was exclusively using the 20mm cannons and AGMs (because this loadout makes the nightbird more effective than jets against ground vehicles, while still being surprisingly good against aircraft).

During the 2-3 hours I spent testing the miniguns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18yic5G8RJk), I found the miniguns to be too powerful against jets, attack and stealth choppers.

Now, some would argue that the enemy pilots were noobs; that's not entirely true, the compilation also includes some good-pro pilots and I must also stress that I myself am a nightbird newbie (have barely used the miniguns and I'm on console - no aim assist for vehicles). I was able to get some of the average/good pilots and often forced good jet pilots to retreat (despite being a new nightbird pilot). Also included a few bonus clips where, for example, I could dodge missiles simply by changing my altitude (which is silly considering that below-radar is a thing now).

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@Metal_Daryl97 wrote:

@Padding_Ur_Stats 
Skill issue. Again, I can hit good pilots with the TGM despite not having used the lissile that much - it's my way of getting cheap kills tbh. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kXjRO415B0 - that was when I had just started using the lissile. The lissile in its current state is actually better than chopper wire-guided missiles. Prior to the nerf, you could loop around and try to hit the target again if you missed - imagine thinking that was OK. 

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 LOL.  I could give videos of Lis success too.  I t1d her.   What youre not showing is the number of times Lis is killed.   Your in a bird yourself there.   There just isnt that much space on the map for all the engineers.

Instead, be on the ground.  That being said, You got a 1 in 100 hit.  You fail to show the 99 misses.    1 success does not make Lis fine.  It is easier to shoot jets then nightbirds.  They do not have the agility nightbirds have.  Predicting where the planes nose is going to be is not that difficult. 

Nightbirds have agility.   A 1 to 2 degree shift and that missile misses.  

Imagine showing 1 success as a consistent play and thinking that was ok..........   Pilots continue to exaggerate, and lie about Lis to keep their EZMode.  

Unless youre protected in a Nightbird

Lis failures include

1. Missiles shot 3 out of 10 times
2. Lis, Because she glows red until rocket impact, is shot 3 out of 10 times
3. Missile misses due to lack of agility 2 out of 10 times.
4. Lis hits, and is immediately killed, but it's not the killing blow and the target heal bot repairs

How many 1 hit targets are there?

1. Bug Copters
2. Jets

Of the two, Jets are far easier to hit then copters.   If you get h it by Lis in a bug copter, you are a horrible pilot.  Period.  End of story.  No excuse. 

@Padding_Ur_Stats 

" It is easier to shoot jets then nightbirds.  They do not have the agility nightbirds have.  Predicting where the planes nose is going to be is not that difficult. 

Nightbirds have agility.   A 1 to 2 degree shift and that missile misses."

I agree. Hitting nightbirds with the TGM (and with pretty much any non-lockon weapons) is tricky if the pilot is not just hovering. I'd say that in its current state, the TGM is adequately effective against jets and stealth choppers but still overpowered against attack choppers).

"Imagine showing 1 success as a consistent play and thinking that was ok"

Happens consistently, just need to predict flight path (and it's actually easier to shoot from the ground). Jets are especially vulnerable when the pilot is engaged in a dogfight - the jet will sometimes fly as slow as 150-200 kmph in these situations and anyone with decent aim can get the jet (that was FAR too easy prior to the nerf because of the TGM's ridiculous agility and speed, which made dogfights meaningless).

Lis is extremely effective, i use her (with NTW50 and AT mines) to bully ground vehicles - she's actually more effective than jets against wildcats

@Metal_Daryl97The videos the sweats show us tell a different story. The intended counter, Liz, is not up to the task after the nerf. Therefore, a nerf to the NB is needed for a balanced game experience.

''Padding ur stats'' gave a great summary on the why and how here.

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@Metal_Daryl97 wrote:

@Padding_Ur_Stats 

I agree. Hitting nightbirds with the TGM (and with pretty much any non-lockon weapons) is tricky if the pilot is not just hovering. I'd say that in its current state, the TGM is adequately effective against jets and stealth choppers but still overpowered against attack choppers).

I bet you would say that.  You would be wrong, but you would say that.  Any helo hit by Lis is just a bad pilot.  Period.  End of story.  Stop Flying.

"Imagine showing 1 success as a consistent play and thinking that was ok"

Happens consistently, just need to predict flight path (and it's actually easier to shoot from the ground). Jets are especially vulnerable when the pilot is engaged in a dogfight - the jet will sometimes fly as slow as 150-200 kmph in these situations and anyone with decent aim can get the jet (that was FAR too easy prior to the nerf because of the TGM's ridiculous agility and speed, which made dogfights meaningless).

So youre saying, Guess, and that is effective.   ROFLMFHAO.  You do realize that the jet is faster then the TGM unless boosted.  Additionally, if boosted, the jet just has to bank any direction and the Lissile will miss because boosting eliminates any hope to turn.   More lies

Lis is extremely effective, i use her (with NTW50 and AT mines) to bully ground vehicles - she's actually more effective than jets against wildcats

I bet you typed that laughing your * off.   You must have that new immune Lis whose rockets never get shot down and she is never targeted.   This is why this game is fubar.  Players lying through their teeth to protect easy mode while epeening skill.  Each on of your responses shows you do not know a thing about Lis.  

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