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Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
Anti-Tank-Kille
4 years ago

Overlooked issue of Vehicle number changes (yes this effects you infantry)

Direct ripping this from my trash reddit post that wont go live because I just activated my account tonight. Hi, I really held off jumping onto this platform but it seems the most active. So since...
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cso7777's avatar
cso7777
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@DeepSixxxx The problem is that the maps are a big disaster and Dice has so far promised 2 maps 'fixed' during S1. S1 is still not here (for at least a couple of months), and at the moment they cannot do much else than what they do now.

Perhaps when all the maps have been fixed, they can adjust the number of vehicles, but at the moment the maps are not made for combined warfare on a large scale, so the vehicles must be nerfed.
DeepSixxxx's avatar
DeepSixxxx
4 years ago
@cso7777 at the moment the maps are not made for combined warfare on a large scale, so the vehicles must be nerfed.
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It is pretty demoralizing then you 120mm tank shell an enemy soldier 3 foot from their feet and they take minimal damage and they fairy dust the tank with C5 magic.

Direct shooting players in the face with 30mm Bolte shots and having them laugh kind of funny too.

At this point, Dice is simply destroying one aspect of the game in an attempt to band-aid broken structural game mechanics.

I believe the game is getting less fun with each Band-aid...as each fantasy change pushes the game farther from legacy BF to fantasy Apex/Fortnite.

It would seem the "BattleRoyale Dice Managers" are "winning" the battle and losing the war...
  • cso7777's avatar
    cso7777
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @DeepSixxxx On the other hand it takes several rockets to kill a tank which is not very realistic either...
  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago

    the only downside for this change is less vehicles for me to turn into a smoking hole in the ground

  • Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
    Anti-Tank-Kille
    4 years ago
    @cso7777 Uhhh... that is not true at all, google is a thing, so is youtube, or just ask people with you know... actual combat experience and you can see plenty of cases of armored vehicles taking a pounding. And before you sight the current conflict as your basis for 'balance wants' as you've done before, you are seeing modern systems vs older less capable tech.

    You're harping on armored 'realism' while you have a flying squirrel suit rocket into the air after jumping off a pebble like they are rocket assisted, or someone latching a grappling hook into dirt and somehow getting purchase and sling shotting across the map without snapping bones but go off I guess lol
  • cso7777's avatar
    cso7777
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Anti-Tank-Killer The argument was about splash-damage being too low, must be a realism thing.

    And having to use 5 rockets for killing a tank is pretty far from realistic...
  • Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
    Anti-Tank-Kille
    4 years ago
    @cso7777 Your source of"trust me bro" is not really a valid statement, seeing as how you have nothing besides essentially that to say on the subject.
    If you're argument is about splash damage then again, I'm pretty sure you've never actually seen the aftermath of what someone looks like after having a projectile like that land anywhere near them. Hint: If you can find anything to look at-

    Splash damage is low, direct hitting a little target with a 5 seconds reload each time is not 'realistic' or even remotely as effective as it should be

    But again, sorry you can't squirrel suit rocket propel yourself into orbit to use 1 rocket as you're proposing to kill a heavily armored vehicle, you truly have my sympathy that your version of realism is not realized
  • Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
    Anti-Tank-Kille
    4 years ago
    @Psubond Huh... it's almost like I predicted this kind of response from a post that is suddenly missing... strange. Thanks for winning me $50!

    On that note I do hope I am wrong about the beefy transport helo's and the power gap or else you're going to relive your circle strafe Hind nightmare all over again, except they wont have to circle strafe to pound the ground this time
  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago
    @Anti-Tank-Killer wrote:
    @PsubondHuh... it's almost like I predicted this kind of response from a post that is suddenly missing... strange. Thanks for winning me $50!

    On that note I do hope I am wrong about the beefy transport helo's and the power gap or else you're going to relive your circle strafe Hind nightmare all over again, except they wont have to circle strafe to pound the ground this time

    na, i'll switch to soflam and the transports will get smoked if they try that with all the M5 launchers on the battlefiled

    **edit** what was missing anyway?  i haven't deleted anything

  • filthy_vegans's avatar
    filthy_vegans
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Psubond wrote:
    @Anti-Tank-Killer wrote:
    @PsubondHuh... it's almost like I predicted this kind of response from a post that is suddenly missing... strange. Thanks for winning me $50!

    On that note I do hope I am wrong about the beefy transport helo's and the power gap or else you're going to relive your circle strafe Hind nightmare all over again, except they wont have to circle strafe to pound the ground this time

    na, i'll switch to soflam and the transports will get smoked if they try that with all the M5 launchers on the battlefiled

    **edit** what was missing anyway?  i haven't deleted anything

    The moderators deleted his original reply to your post on page 1, probably because it was rude to you.

    It was in the same vein as his general tone throughout the rest of the thread.

  • cso7777's avatar
    cso7777
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Anti-Tank-Killer Wow you seem pretty upset...

    People complain about splash damage being too low and I just point out that the game makes you put 5 rockets in a tank to kill it.

    You can find stories of tanks taking several rocket hits and still being able to run, but you can find just as many stories of tanks blowing up from just one rocket (just look at whats going on at the moment in Ukraine).

    My point is that the game is not realistic in any way and if people complain about splash damage being weak, why not buff anti-tanks weapons as well.

    It's all a matter of balance, if tanks were realistic, they would be far more deadly, but on the other hand, a tank roaming alone would never survive for long, if anti-tank weapons were more realistic.
  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago
    @filthy_vegans wrote:
    @Psubond wrote:
    @Anti-Tank-Killer wrote:
    @PsubondHuh... it's almost like I predicted this kind of response from a post that is suddenly missing... strange. Thanks for winning me $50!

    On that note I do hope I am wrong about the beefy transport helo's and the power gap or else you're going to relive your circle strafe Hind nightmare all over again, except they wont have to circle strafe to pound the ground this time

    na, i'll switch to soflam and the transports will get smoked if they try that with all the M5 launchers on the battlefiled

    **edit** what was missing anyway?  i haven't deleted anything

    The moderators deleted his original reply to your post on page 1, probably because it was rude to you.

    It was in the same vein as his general tone throughout the rest of the thread.

    ah.  i'm also wondering who "owes him 50 bucks" cause i sure as hell didn't bet him 50 bucks

  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago
    @cso7777 if vehicles aren't invincible and a point and click infantry farming simulator then vehicle mains will always complain. i've been playing since battlefield 2 (skipped V cause of sonderland) didn't start looking at forums for the games until BC2 but even in that game people would complain if infantry could kill a vehicle (air or ground). i'm sure they were complaining in previous games. the two main complaints in BC2 were bush wookies and infantry killing vehicles (i loved running tracer dart and rpg to kill helos)
  • Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
    Anti-Tank-Kille
    4 years ago
    @cso7777 How is pointing out the flaw in your statement turning in to me 'being upset', if anything I'm trying to broaden your horizon a bit, but as usual people are set in their mind sets and wont budge because 'this isn't how it should be' Seems to be a pretty common cop out in this forum lol, can't offer a valid counter point, oop they mad!

    Also I already addressed the whole UA situation which you seemed to miss.

    Your point, as you've made clear in your previous post is you want balance to lean towards realism in one aspect and not another and all I did was point that out and offer a counter point, so if me giving a counter point is 'being upset' then sure I guess?
  • Anti-Tank-Kille's avatar
    Anti-Tank-Kille
    4 years ago
    @Psubond Apparently me saying stop trying to derail my thread and keep it relevant was me 'being mean online'
    Trying to have an actual discussion about what the changes might mean and having it turn into inf/veh/air/sniper BS arguments is old, and annoying because no one wants to budge on anything and everyone keeps going in circles. If anything it was simply calling out your habits you have when you jump in any thread that has anything to do with vehicles.
    But again you won me $50 so I cant be to annoyed lol

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