> You told us that you want to experience Breakthrough and Rush as both an Attacker and Defender while playing. We have made a change where after EoR you now automatically switch teams and play the same map on the opposing side before switching maps There are exactly two complaints with map rotations / matchmaking:1. Stuck playing defending all the time.2. Stuck playing the same map over and over again. We asked for switching up sides and playing different maps. Two different complaints! DICE, please listen with both ears to the community.

@StormtrooperDan Isn't that how Rush used to be on older BF games? Same map but each side was given the chance to attack and defend and then went to next map?

@StormtrooperDan I don't mind playing the same map twice as long as it is a guaranteed attack/defence rotation.However, if after that we getting MM'd into the same map again, 4 times on the bounce would be a tad to much!

@CantGetRight wrote:@StormtrooperDanIsn't that how Rush used to be on older BF games? Same map but each side was given the chance to attack and defend and then went to next map?Exactly! I don't understand what OP is wanting. In the past both sides would switch O/D and then the map would rotate.

Rush works best IMHO if teams switch sides as often players quit when they are on the "difficult side", which is often defender side, but also greatly depends on the map dynamics.I like the idea of playing the same map twice as it gives me the chance to have the same players for two rotations, versus throwing me back into MM system and scrambling the players. What makes Portal great is TDM keeps the same players on the same server, so get beat up one round, you have a chance for redemption on the next map. Just like in real sports, teams change sides to make it fair...⚽🏈🏀🤔

Swapping sides for BT and Rush have been like this before. It guarantees that a defender will get to be an attacker at least every other round. Right now it is defender 10x in a row.The map swap should occur after every two rounds, however, since it is MM, there is a chance you will get the same map.

Play the same map twice, exact what the players don't want, DICE gives.

24 Replies

CantGetRight
4 years ago
@StormtrooperDan Isn't that how Rush used to be on older BF games? Same map but each side was given the chance to attack and defend and then went to next map?
Anobix
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@CantGetRight wrote:
@StormtrooperDanIsn't that how Rush used to be on older BF games? Same map but each side was given the chance to attack and defend and then went to next map?
Exactly! I don't understand what OP is wanting. In the past both sides would switch O/D and then the map would rotate.
CantGetRight
4 years ago
@Anobix Thank you for verifying that it does play like that as I normally don't play rush and haven't in a while so I wasn't sure.
StormtrooperDan
Rising Hotshot
4 years ago
This was how Rush used to work in BF4, but it changed in BF5 with Breakthrough so you don't play the same map twice, you just rotate to the next map but change defending/attacking.
Anobix
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@StormtrooperDan wrote:
This was how Rush/Breakthrough used to work in BF4, but in changed in BF5 so you don't play the same map twice, you just rotate to the next map but change defending/attacking.
Gotcha, my total playtime in BFV can be counted on one or two hands so I never really saw that. More familiar with BF4 and prior games in how side-switching worked.
CantGetRight
4 years ago
@Anobix Same.
DeepSixxxx
4 years ago
Rush works best IMHO if teams switch sides as often players quit when they are on the "difficult side", which is often defender side, but also greatly depends on the map dynamics.
I like the idea of playing the same map twice as it gives me the chance to have the same players for two rotations, versus throwing me back into MM system and scrambling the players. What makes Portal great is TDM keeps the same players on the same server, so get beat up one round, you have a chance for redemption on the next map.
Just like in real sports, teams change sides to make it fair...⚽🏈🏀🤔
StormtrooperDan
Rising Hotshot
4 years ago
I agree it is more fair, but I much preferred switching both map and teams that was introduced in BF5. The last thing I want after a long slog on some map (any of the long Pacific maps in BF5), was to play the same map again.
Switching to a new map is a breath of fresh air and more enjoyable to the overall play session.
I'm annoyed so much design knowledge is lost to DICE with every release, where they'll fix things in past only to reintroduce the same problem in a new release.
RMEChief
Legend
4 years ago
Swapping sides for BT and Rush have been like this before. It guarantees that a defender will get to be an attacker at least every other round. Right now it is defender 10x in a row.
The map swap should occur after every two rounds, however, since it is MM, there is a chance you will get the same map.
DeepSixxxx
4 years ago
@StormtrooperDan The MM system would not work well if the players got rotated to a new map on the same server, due to the huge 128 player size of the AOW game modes, and not having tens of thousands of concurrent players 24/7.

Official portal TDM would keep the same players on the same server and just switch the map, as it was easy to fill a 32 player mode using a hybrid MM system. It is a catch 22 with the 128 player AOW modes, as either keep players on the same server when rotating maps but have very long wait times for players trying to start their first game, or keep the current system and fill all servers quicker but scramble the players into different servers when the map changes. At this point I suspect Dice wishes they had stuck to server browsers, yet with 4 of 5 platforms being console, it is what the console world is stuck with, unfortunately...

I'd guessing we are stuck with MM system in 128 player modes due to the "waiting for X players" issues. That said, I believe 32-62 player modes can have a server browser and work better than the current MM system, even with lower player counts.