Re: Aim Assist improvements or Crossplay Bunk Netcode?

Died 12 times, all by console players; I take screenshots of each death trying to troubleshoot TTK/TTD issues. Some were super quick. Never saw a stretch like this. I did get hit by some PC players, but never killed. I tried to jump, go prone, everything, and once I was hit by a console player it always resulted in a death for me. I did get 1 or 2 kill trades in there.

@AdamonicI have the same issue but totally opposite on my Xbox series X. I counted in one crossplay game to nite. Died 14 times 13 of those was PC and most of the time there is absolutely no possibility to move or do something. Insta kill!

When I find games with crossplay turned off. The gunfights are totally different. Then there is a possibility to move or do something. The TTD is much longer.

The problem seems mostly to be in the netcode.

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@Adamonic wrote:

Died 12 times, all by console players; I take screenshots of each death trying to troubleshoot TTK/TTD issues. Some were super quick. Never saw a stretch like this. I did get hit by some PC players, but never killed. I tried to jump, go prone, everything, and once I was hit by a console player it always resulted in a death for me. I did get 1 or 2 kill trades in there.

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You should also post a shot of the screen showing the teams and platforms.  Curious what % console players your server has.

You could also use that screen as your decoder ring for tracking platform trends in your kills (assuming you take shots of your kills too).

my aim assist is about perfect lol it’s snapping on and tracking as it should. It’s always been that way. 
i stay out beaming all platforms. 
i just don’t understand, maybe I’m the only one who has it functioning correctly 🤨

Just played my first few rounds of the 1.2 update.

Tracking players moving left/right is no longer met with the aim resist bouncing effect. Getting the crosshair on target feels more natural now. There's still a bit of wonkiness in there if the player quickly doubles back or starts juking (aim assist doesn't track perfectly and trying to correct is met with stiffer than expected inputs). I suspect most players will be better off dialing down the aim assist.

Aim assist generally feels unremarkable now.  Nothing amazing. Nothing awful. It feels 90-95% as good as the BF1/BFV aim assist.

I did have one bizzare situation with full auto sprays on the LCMG. Recoil control was just wild - what should have been a pretty easy shot ended with me barely being able to keep the target in the reticule. I'd try to correct the recoil and get nothing, nothing, nothing, EVERYTHING.  It felt like my inputs were binary and not analog. I changed some settings and attachments and it behaved itself in later games.  I'll try to re-create that later and submit a bug report. I've seen similar complaints on reddit.

Today I've noticed that it's been mostly console players that I die immediately to.

I'm a twitchy player. So I'll jiggle peek out of cover, I'll get hit with the first shot, I instantly try to get back into cover while crouching and hitting my keys quickly as possible. Nothing That I do matters. I die behind cover after only receiving that first shot. It's happened at least a dozen times today if not more.

Honestly yes I will to help out

>Series X

>acer predator CG

>wired controller 

>Ethernet

>port forwarded/QoS enabled

>watermelon g fuel 

>adderal XR

>Locked in @ 60FPS in 4K/1440p (🤡)

  >YOUR BANDWIDTH/FPS HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON AIM ASSIST. LOWER FRAME(s) BEING DROPPED WILL THROW OFF AIM ASSIST/IE PACKETLOSS/NETCODE (128p on a 45hz server, SEND/RECIVE PACKETS once every 45/frame a second, that’s just not enough for 128p)

>Console Settings

  >Stay away from the Overlays, Native 4K/HDR

  >DO NOT RUN 12BIT COLOR.

  >DO NOT RUN 12BIT COLOR. 
      >12BIT @4K IS NOT SUPPORTED THROUGH HDMI, it requires more data than your HDMI CABLE can transmit! (80% of the time) it automatically changes your FPS to 30.
To compensate. YCC 2:2:2 can fix that issue but, you’re just canceling it out because of the compression. YCC isn’t considered a overlay but will still negatively impact your performance. YCC should only be used for resolution priority.

>GO TO YOUTUBE and set yalls console up the right way for gaming. Or ask me. Input lag/internet HAS more than you think you know involved with AA. Skip,If you already knew this part.

>HUD (matters)

   >Ah, yes…FOV.

      >Keep it lower than 90 on console, unfortunately we  are limited to some pretty bad rendering in this case. The higher your fov, the worse your aim assist is going to be. Lack of anti-Aliasing at further distances. Would be cool to have a FXAA/TAA (resolution/frame rate) option in game. Consoles simply, can’t handle the stress on the. You’d think a WISH 3070(lol) and 32GB-Ram could lol.

  >General Sens/MORE OVERLAYS

       >45 (ALL OPTICS 1-8 MATCH THIS SENS)

  > ADS Sens

       > 100

  >ADS FOV 

       > ON

  >NO HDR (stay away from HDR if you want aim assist, this game is POORLY optimized for “X/S Experience”

   >motion blur

       >Minimal

   >Vignette/Chromatic

       >Off

>Controller/On Foot

    >FOV 

        >85

    >Soldier Aim Assist 

        >70 (to high of a value results in my cross hair pulling to other enemies when another enemy gets in the way of who I’m shooting at)

    >Soldier Aim Assist SnapOn

        >100

    > Soldier ZOOM aim Sens 

        >100

    >Aiming Left/Right acceleration 

        >0

    >Vertical Aim ratio%
        >50

    >vertical Zoom ratio

        >80

    >Uniform aiming 

       >OFF

    >Zoom Transition Smoothing

       >ON

>Controller Tuning

    >Controller Left stick 

           >Center Deadzone

                  >4

           >Axial Deadzone

                   >1

           >Max input threshold

                   >1

   >Controller Right Stick

           >Center Dead zone 

                   >6

           >Axial Deadzone

                   >1

           >Max input threshold

                   >1

   >LT/RT deadzones

           >lowest 

Now of course these are my settings, user defined of course. Catch me streaming sometime if you wanna see 🫡 TTV/iBUSTJUICE 

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@iBUSTJUICE wrote:

  >YOUR BANDWIDTH/FPS HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON AIM ASSIST. LOWER FRAME(s) BEING DROPPED WILL THROW OFF AIM ASSIST/IE PACKETLOSS/NETCODE (128p on a 45hz server, SEND/RECIVE PACKETS once every 45/frame a second, that’s just not enough for 128p)

    

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No it does not.  As long as you have 512kbps available you shouldn't be seeing any added benefit of extra bandwidth.  Bandwidth, ping, jitter, packet loss are independent.  It's the last three that really matter for gaming.

If you are on PC you can monitor bandwidth usage by connection. When I've done this in the past for Battlefield I recall seeing typical usage of around 100-200kbps. EA lists 512kbps as the requirement.

Also 45Hz means 45 cycles per second. Or 22ms. In other words if you are running at 45FPS you are generally getting a fresh packet for each frame. You are not getting 45 packets 'per frame' (assuming you are running 60FPS that be equivalent to a 2700Hz tickrate!)

An updated Aim Assist video, this is exactly how it feels on the other side. If one shot hits, they all hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=254R30gvetM

So question...everyone is bleeping on about aim assist being the issue. Is aim assist not tied to a controller and NOT a console or PC? So if I'm a pc player on controller, don't I get aim assist?

If so, WHY is everyone railing about aim assist being the issue if probably 50% of PC players use controllers. I would be more inclined to think it's a coding issue and the difference in how a PC parses vs a console rather than aim assist. Heck, it might even be how aim assist works on PC vs. Console, BUT, none of us would be able to play without crossplay because of lack of players. Let's fix crossplay/net code/aim assist and not rail about ending cross play. There is cross play in lots of titles that works just fine...

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@Adamonic wrote:
@Echo6EchoI don't think PC controller use w/ aim assist is that high, but you are correct, it is not necessarily console only. People just associate it with console.

Either way, it does seem a little OP where before it was not working correctly. If all you have to do is get near the target and it sticks to them while you press fire, we might as well make the game one shot kill with every weapon to even the playing field.

The video seems like an honest assessment of the feature right now and even that guy, who seems like a seasoned player, agrees that it is a little bit too strong.

 

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It doesn't and I don't think the video is showing that. Firstly as he says he's a skilled player(consistently topping scoreboards, 100 kill games, comp play. Basically a top 0.1%player)so using his gameplay to judge what you experience from the other side isn't exactly fair (including before this update if I remember correctly). All the aiming requires input, but there is definitely help now. I honestly don't know any console player who wants the AA being too strong and playing the game for you, and I don't think we are at that stage.

@A_al_K_pacino_A 

Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet? Or when you see the perfect tracking at the vidéo starting?

Yes the player is experimented but the same goes with M&K, have you ever seeen a beginer vs experienced player with M&K?

This is not a console vs pc problem it's a problem of adjusting the game.

M&k are precise tools but you have to use them with precision by yourself.

Controllers aren't precise tools, they are perfect for other games but relly aren't suitable for precise games like FPS... How to make those games available to controler users? The solution? Aim assist. We all agree this tool is needed  if you want to put players using M&K against controller users.

BUT the players in both scenarios should have to play the game by themselves.

You don't have this kind of tracking on targets you see at the begining of the vidéo with M&K... Yes the tool is more precise but nothing helps you to be precise. The balance is subtle i agree, but the vidéo shows how it can goes too far with aim assist.

I'm playing PC games since 20 years.

I'm far away from console vs Pc stupid warfare.

I state that problem comes from controller (can be used on pc) and M&K.

M&K are inconsistent in this game, bug fix is needed. While controllers can track lock on tragets even behind cover?

Some adjustments are needed both for M&K and controllers.

I prey for M&K debug in next patch... since game's launch, but concerning aim assist as it's the point here:

I would say that Dice pushed aim assist too far in previous patches to help controllers while it was bugged, go look back previous patch notes they pushed aim aisst before bug fixing it. Now they patched the aim assist and as it is no longer bugged it works... far too well.

Aim assist is working now, great! Now what we need are slight adjustments to make it works well.

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@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:

@A_al_K_pacino_A 

Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?

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I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing. What you are seeing as some sort of auto -locking onto the player is more of a feeling as the assist comes into affect(Tbh this isn't easy to describe). The player turning is human input, and the player stopping on the enemy when they feel the assist is also human input. 

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@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:

Now they patched the aim assist and as it is no longer bugged it works... far too well.

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The aim assist today feels similar to what we've had since BF1. In BF2042 aim assist has gone from broken to something resembling 'normal'.

What we have now has been the standard for at least the past six years (can't remember BF4 well enough to comment).  Whether you realized it or not PC players have been playing against this level of aim assist since BF1. I say this as someone who played BF1 on console,  on PC w/KBM and on PC w/controller w/aim assist.

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@A_al_K_pacino_A wrote:

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@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:

@A_al_K_pacino_A 

Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?

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I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing.

It is tho, the number of time a console player just tracks me through a smoke or a bush I can't see through is too damn high

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@InS_Hypno wrote:

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@A_al_K_pacino_A wrote:

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@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:

@A_al_K_pacino_A 

Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?

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I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing.

It is tho, the number of time a console player just tracks me through a smoke or a bush I can't see through is too damn high

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Any videos of aim assist tracking through smoke/bushes?