Re: EA CEO Andrew Wilson says there's "a lot of work" to do on the Battlefield Fran

In recognising that the franchise needs a lot of work, imho it would be appropriate to begin that work by fixing the current title BF2042 which has at least another six months to run.

That to me would be the single most important signal they could send to the community and would at least start to rebuild the trust / confidence that has been eroded due to the direction they have taken with BF2042 

Everyone can see that mistakes have been made and damage has been done to the BF franchise, DICE could help repair that damage by dedicating a team to making BF2042 as playable / enjoyable as possible, even if it is not cost effective to do so.

DICE imho the whole reputation of the franchise is at stake here, so please start by showing us that you mean business by addressing the current issues in this game before moving on to the next one.

If you do that, you would have more chance of players buying the next title because currently there are a lot of disgruntled / disillusioned BF players who feel let down with their BF2042 purchase. 

He can give me a call and let me know when it’s ready but in the mean time I will be playing games that are with my time and money!

ok Andrew....you recognize that there's a lot of work to do. Now what are you going to do about it to convince me to buy any games with the battlefield name on it again?  we are LOOOOOOOOOOOONG past the "trust me bro, i got you" phase of trust.  at this point these are just words and we need to see an actual change in behavior in order to rebuild trust.  that starts with dedicating resources to battlefield and communicating a roadmap to the players.  this super secret "i'm not telling the community our plans" stuff needs to end.

battlefield is now in the DICE/EA need to cater to the players a bit in order to earn the trust back.  the lack of resources to create content or inability/unwillingness to get people who CAN do it in a reasonable amount of time and a reasonable amount of quantity (sorry, one map every 3 months for a year isn't cutting it) is whats killing this franchise.  we used to get 4 maps per DLC.  now we will likely get 4 additional maps in the life of the game.

right now, as things stand i'm not opening my wallet for the next battlefield.  i'm not putting any more money into this one (i don't buy skins in game anyway so that's not a reflection on this game, just a guideline for myself.  i don't care what my character looks like as long as i can blend in with the environment reasonably well)

you want my money andrew?  SHOW me that dice can still make a battlefield game and communicate with the players via roadmaps.  then we'll talk about me getting my debit card out.

Every time I read one of these articles talking about how they are going to fix it im then I’m reminded of the developer video where they specifically stated they are not considering right now a server browser for AOW. 

and I’m like, that translates as “We’re going to fix it; <whispers>No we’re not<\whispers>” 

I think this is the only game in 30+ years I’ve ever been disappointed buying and can’t believe how annoyed I actually am. I guess it’s because I’m just so utterly flabbergasted as to how so utterly and monumentally wrong they got it, that I still can’t believe anyone would have thought that this was in anyway what so ever actually good.

Everything they say just seems so tone death, and as though they’re still focussed on a new younger target audience, an audience I really don’t fall into.

I’m also really curious as to what kind of stats they are looking at that suggests anything is actually any good in this game or that any significant number of players actually enjoy it, broken down buy market segment. I.e new players with zero expectations VS legacy players with “those” expectations.

sigh. 

just add map server browser, map rotations & squad controls already.

Following a 20-year-old formula of sucess, is a lot of work?! Looks like their still confused about what a Battlefield game is all about.

JMHO

I now only lurk occasionally on this forum to marvel at how far the mighty have fallen with this franchise. 

I’ve already said this in previous posts but I’m repeating myself as EA seem to have problems understanding their BF player base as shown by the embarrassing player count and repetitional damage to the game. 

As much as I love the franchise and willingly pre-ordered gold/ultimate editions with premium DLC I won’t be doing this for the next game no matter how good the game may initially look. 

Remember how you said the beta was an early fork in game development? Until the final game is in the hands of gamers and we can all see what’s included you won’t be getting a penny. 

I haven’t played the game since before Xmas and frankly I don’t care if it’s improved or not I just cannot face BF2042 and that’s all on you and your merry bridge burning. 

tbh I’m looking for another similar game to get seriously into but the console market is a bit sparse atm. I may even drift back to COD which is saying a lot. 

Your empty words mean nothing

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That really annoyed me as well when a dev on Twitter was trying to explain how complicated it would be to have all options of game available and people be lile “B4 Server browser search”.

literally  region, map, game type, player count, server name search parameters. 

They have now outwardly stated that they missed the creative mark with this title. The problem is that someone or everyone thought going the Apex route was the right call. If you look at some of the management/directors/producers involved, you will know exactly why they went this route. If they could, I am sure they would've added rainbows, unicorns, customized lipstick and fingernails, and that is not a joke. Go look them up.

The game has a player count 1/30th of COD/WZ and that can go as high as 1/60th at COD's peak. That is absolutely insane. BF is not in direct competition with COD, but it does take players away because it is comparable. COD has always been more popular (for some odd reason), but back in the day, BF was a lot closer. 

The biggest issue I see is that you can't play BF like you want to. This game needs a Server Browser or it will die by Season 4. 

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@Adamonic wrote:

The biggest issue I see is that you can't play BF like you want to. This game needs a Server Browser or it will die by Season 4. 

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they expect to dictate how we play (what maps we get to play and when).  idk how they don't expect people to get pissed off at this approach. 

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That's the part that really pees me off.

No server browser in AOW is such an arrogant move to make and a direct F U to the core playerbase.

I get that most players probably used quick match in previous games but they still gave the core,  who keep the game alive between releases, the browser and map rotations.

To take that away and then tell us we aren't getting it back while telling us they are fully committed to supporting 2042 is insulting.

On a related note, a mod on the lowsodium2042 reddit sub who claims they work for Dice attacked the server browser from V and said they don't work because people 'have' to queue on servers and can't play!

He's also defended taking away Exodus Conquest 64 so everyone can get a chance to play different modes.

Interesting peak in to the minds of the people who work at Dice.

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That's the part that really pees me off.

No server browser in AOW is such an arrogant move to make and a direct F U to the core playerbase.

I get that most players probably used quick match in previous games but they still gave the core,  who keep the game alive between releases, the browser and map rotations.

To take that away and then tell us we aren't getting it back while telling us they are fully committed to supporting 2042 is insulting.

On a related note, a mod on the lowsodium2042 reddit sub who claims they work for Dice attacked the server browser from V and said they don't work because people 'have' to queue on servers and can't play!

He's also defended taking away Exodus Conquest 64 so everyone can get a chance to play different modes.

Interesting peak in to the minds of the people who work at Dice.

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The only reason some people cant play some modes is because they REMOVE the friggin option to do it!

Wait, i reread what you wrote, was his excuse to FORCE people to "get a chance to play other modes?!?!"

Post a link please, i want a piece of this action

@PsubondI'm not sure I can link because EA might think I'm targeting the Dice employee.

"Because not everyone thinks it's the best and we rotate them so other people's favourite game modes get some attention and people get a chance to try them out".

The thread title refers to why did they take away Exodus and it's on 3rd page on my browser.

As for the V browser post, that was a few weeks ago and I can't recall the thread subject.

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

@PsubondI'm not sure I can link because EA might think I'm targeting the Dice employee.

"Because not everyone thinks it's the best and we rotate them so other people's favourite game modes get some attention and people get a chance to try them out".

The thread title refers to why did they take away Exodus and it's on 3rd page on my browser.

As for the V browser post, that was a few weeks ago and I can't recall the thread subject.

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And just like everything else in this world, they are running their game into the ground catering to 1% of the population. Sub 100K players with NO competition might as well be dead and it's all due to crappy choices. Wait and see what happens in a few weeks...

Acknowledging that BFV and BF2042 were failures sounds like hope for the future.

But it begs the question...if you knew BFV was a miss why were you unable to learn from that and make adjustments for BF2042?

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

@PsubondI'm not sure I can link because EA might think I'm targeting the Dice employee.

"Because not everyone thinks it's the best and we rotate them so other people's favourite game modes get some attention and people get a chance to try them out".

The thread title refers to why did they take away Exodus and it's on 3rd page on my browser.

As for the V browser post, that was a few weeks ago and I can't recall the thread subject.

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That control freak needs to understand that people will try other game modes IF they want to.  If that is how the devs think then there is no hope for the franchise.  It is now about doing what they want and not players having fun.   all that "Getting a chance to try them out" is bull .  I had a chance when there were multiple game modes.  Didn't like it.

"Oh, you dont want to play the way i want you to? Well. Ill just take away what you do want to play in order to make you play this other mode"

Screw that. Ill delete the game before i play conquest on their lame * vehicle farming simulator maps

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That's the part that really pees me off.

No server browser in AOW is such an arrogant move to make and a direct F U to the core playerbase.

I get that most players probably used quick match in previous games but they still gave the core,  who keep the game alive between releases, the browser and map rotations.

To take that away and then tell us we aren't getting it back while telling us they are fully committed to supporting 2042 is insulting.

On a related note, a mod on the lowsodium2042 reddit sub who claims they work for Dice attacked the server browser from V and said they don't work because people 'have' to queue on servers and can't play!

He's also defended taking away Exodus Conquest 64 so everyone can get a chance to play different modes.

Interesting peak in to the minds of the people who work at Dice.

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Im interested in seeing this stuff too, can you pm me the link? I cant find it (pm psubond as well. He seems pissed lol)

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@AngrySquid270 wrote:

Acknowledging that BFV and BF2042 were failures sounds like hope for the future.

But it begs the question...if you knew BFV was a miss why were you unable to learn from that and make adjustments for BF2042?

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Acknowledging failures of the past in corporate speak is just  a way to try to dupe people a second/third/fourth time to market the next game.

I saw it happen twice in World of Warcraft after the Legion expansion only for the next 2 expansions to double down on the bad things that people pointed out in Legion.

Talk is cheap, especially when coming out of the mouths of rich and influential people

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That's the part that really pees me off.

No server browser in AOW is such an arrogant move to make and a direct F U to the core playerbase.

I get that most players probably used quick match in previous games but they still gave the core,  who keep the game alive between releases, the browser and map rotations.

To take that away and then tell us we aren't getting it back while telling us they are fully committed to supporting 2042 is insulting.

On a related note, a mod on the lowsodium2042 reddit sub who claims they work for Dice attacked the server browser from V and said they don't work because people 'have' to queue on servers and can't play!

He's also defended taking away Exodus Conquest 64 so everyone can get a chance to play different modes.

Interesting peak in to the minds of the people who work at Dice.

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“….have to queue….”

 
that’s literally what quick match is for. A queue for a popular server is literally a good thing. My god how dumb are people. Unbelievable. 

if I want to play on a popular server because it’s ran well and has good settings I will wait. 

my god…unbelievable that that’s a justification.

”….take away..blah..so everyone can play…”

my god, they’ve let the crazies in the building if they don’t understand how whack that explanation is.

I wonder how long it will be before we see the new one?

@GrizzGolfI hope as long as possible.
For 2 reasons:
1) More support for 2042
2) So that we may stop getting 1 year of early access.

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@GrizzGolf wrote:

I wonder how long it will be before we see the new one?

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Lot of emphasis and resources are all thrown into implementing a Battlefield game for the mobile platform.  Appears to be where many of the EA Execs believe there is another easy pot of gold for them to capture.

Personally its not for me and not happy about this.

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@FlibberMeister wrote:

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@LordVader666it's also like they are intentionally antagonizing players by only "allowing" players to play in the manner in which they want the players to play (referring to having 24/7 maps for some modes and not others)

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That's the part that really pees me off.

No server browser in AOW is such an arrogant move to make and a direct F U to the core playerbase.

I get that most players probably used quick match in previous games but they still gave the core,  who keep the game alive between releases, the browser and map rotations.

To take that away and then tell us we aren't getting it back while telling us they are fully committed to supporting 2042 is insulting.

On a related note, a mod on the lowsodium2042 reddit sub who claims they work for Dice attacked the server browser from V and said they don't work because people 'have' to queue on servers and can't play!

He's also defended taking away Exodus Conquest 64 so everyone can get a chance to play different modes.

Interesting peak in to the minds of the people who work at Dice.

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“….have to queue….”

 
that’s literally what quick match is for. A queue for a popular server is literally a good thing. My god how dumb are people. Unbelievable. 

if I want to play on a popular server because it’s ran well and has good settings I will wait. 

my god…unbelievable that that’s a justification.

”….take away..blah..so everyone can play…”

my god, they’ve let the crazies in the building if they don’t understand how whack that explanation is.

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let's call it what it is.  we all know it.  they have a tiny player base and they are trying to hide that fact but all they are doing is pissing off the players by playing the shell game with game modes/maps