Re: Progression not working properly for weapons and vehicles (Solo/Coop AI)

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@Spidder81 

I understand all of that, and I'm not happy about the restrictions, either.

From what I have read of the TOS, and the graphics that were posted here as 'evidence,' I feel that they have sufficiently covered their bases, legally, as far as the language goes. I'm no lawyer, and I'm not giving any kind of legal advice, but I have a good bit of experience with writing contracts and dealing with copyright issues.

Let's break it down:

Quote: "All experience you earned in Battlefield™ 2042 is universal and shared across all its modes, which means you’ll be leveling up and unlocking new weapons, gadgets, and cosmetics no matter which mode you’re playing."

The first part is about "all experience you earned." "Earned" (worked to legitimately unlock) is the key word, here. You earned it (past tense). It is now in your account. That earned XP is now "universal and shared across all its modes."

So far, nothing about that part is false; 1) Everything you have earned has transfered, and 2) you do have the ability to level-up and unlock "new weapons, gadgets, and cosmetics no matter which mode you’re playing." Still true.

Here's the nasty part, though:

In Portal, for example, you have not "earned" certain unlocks, or regular amounts of XP, compared to other modes. The XP you actually have earned, though, has indeed transfered, so no issues there. The problem is that EA put restrictions on the rates and types of unlocks that you will be allowed to earn in certain modes. What you still earn, after all of the restrictions, does indeed transfer, so you aren't being robbed of anything you have been able to earn (nothing you have been able to unlock has been taken back from you).

What's actually happening is this: you are basically being throttled and restricted; if you aren't allowed to earn (unlock) something, in the first place, there is nothing to transfer. Big difference. It's all in the wording, and how one action follows another.

The statement did not say that you could level-up as fast, or unlock every single item, across all modes; it said that what you earn transfers. They didn't say anything about possibly making it more difficult--or impossible--to earn certain things in certain modes, and that is the real issue.

I know that doesn't make the situation any better--and I hate all of the caps and restrictions, too--but that's the way the language reads, in my opinion, and I have to be honest about that. Because of the caps, and several other issues with the game, I have chosen not to play it.

@ChugKendall

key word - "Universal" - (again I will post it) - including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively WITHOUT LIMIT OR EXCEPTION (this last part is important)

Not "oh you can earn up to this in this mode and unrestricted in that mode" - not once ever was this said prior to release

Also the only reason restrictions are in place is because of xp farms on Portal. Not because the restrictions is how it was intended to be. All was fine for a day n half until they realized people were exploiting farms.

The game released as intended with no restrictions, only after the xp farms did they add the restrictions, and not because it was supposed to be this way. This is the difference.

@ChugKendall

"All experience you earned in BF2042 is universal and shared across all its modes, which means you'll be leveling up and unlocking new weapons, gadgets and cosmetics no matter which mode you're playing"

Notice how it says "no matter which mode you're playing" Universal, (i.e. no limits/exceptions) etc. Which means there should be no limits in any mode

Where does it say about anything being restricted in different modes? You misunderstand what the above quote means.


Also as I said, game released with no restrictions and that is how it was intended. Restrictions came into place ONLY because of xp portal farms.

@Spidder81I didn't misunderstand a single thing, my friend. You completely disregarded the very first thing I mentioned in the last post about preceding, descriptive language--language that sets the tone and conditions for what comes after it.

This is how legal contracts work, and I am attempting to show you how language affects the entire scope of an agreement. If you can't get past this one very basic point, we might as well stop discussing it now, and you can (erroneously) believe whatever you want.

The quote doesn't say anything about XP being restricted in different modes, because that is not what the quote is talking about. Thank you for affirming exactly what I was trying to tell you: The quote has nothing to do with restrictions; it is only saying that they will transfer all assets that you have unlocked ("earned") to other platforms. If you haven't unlocked ("earned") items or XP--whether through lack of playtime, inadequate skill level, or due to restrictions imposed within the game--there is nothing to transfer.

If you want to discuss how we both seem to think that progression and XP caps are infuriating and causing many players to not want to play the game (myself included), we can agree on that all day long, but transfer of earned assets (addressed in the quote) has nothing to do with whether or not you will be allowed to earn those assets in the first place (not addressed in the quote).

As for after-release restrictions, the entire TOS was one big set of restrictions and guidelines that determine how the game can and will be managed, going forward--and you agreed to it.

That's all I care to say on the matter. Be well.

Anymore update about this?

@ChugKendallRight but what about the fact that we agreed on day 1 to have access to *and the ability to earn tier one cosmetics* we got what we wanted, but then that was changed to remove the aspect of which people were playing for, People who were disabled still bought the game on the account that they could still progress throughout the game in SOLO & CO-OP modes, They agreed to this on day 1 on concept that they could still progress and grind towards all available unlockables, But after day 1 they then changed this for no valid reason and still have yet to give an official statement regarding the progression

Surely that a company who "Puts the community first" would also put out a statement instead of ignoring its community

Still mindblowing how they haven't switched on Portal progression yet.

I'm not playing anything until they do, it'd be a waste of time...

Those damn clowns in Portal literally ruined the whole game with their stupid as hell XP farming servers after reading the response from EAHelp. Thanks a lot you morons for ruining the Solo/Co-op play

@ImmortalJoker66they have also ruined custom portal for a lot of players and whole discord communities (that wanted build a custom server for their community) too because not a lot want to play due to restrictions. The way this is carrying on Portal won't last long. Just take off all restrictions in portal and solo/coop like its supposed to be. Let people level up how they want to who cares. Just have someone monitor custom portal and delete xp farms. It's really that simple.

@DominickB3sad thing is they are losing more players by having the restrictions on in portal and solo/coop because people are leaving and/or refusing to play the game because of it.