But in Battlefield 2042, due to the expert characteristics and air transport aircraft, it can be airborne almost anytime, anywhere, which did not exist in the previous work
no one is going to be chucking 3 C5 on you from a moving transport. i am absolutely against nerfing C5 on vehicles. next people will say AT mines are unfair and it should take 4 to kill a tank.
there is nothing wrong with c5. you just need to have situational awareness
And Configurable in portal editor for admins that want to force different types of play.
But it's a fact that tanks have poor survivability in many maps, and MAV can't be a good resurrection point for the squad.
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@-YJN-that isn't an excuse to nerf c5. c5 has *always* been a 3x kill on any vehicle
I agree,
3 c4 is a deserved kill. So same with c5.
a spanner with a follow up on a rpg is also a good tactic.
but I agree, that the c5 distance if it’s to far could mean it’s hard for vehicles to defend against.
also, tanks on Bf4 had night vision. Which gave it a standing chance. So again, there might be some balance issues.
MM the whole enjoyment of fighting a tank is wearing it down and winning when all the odds are against you.
if it’s like, oh look a tank, boom. That’s just weak.
tanks need to be formidable, but at the same time not invincible.
and when I last played, tanks in 2042, drive like an electric vehicle which is just dumb. And where basically a little bit *. Especially as the gunner with limited view.
C5 is about the only effective ground deterrent and you want it removed.
3 C5 should blow up anything, and yet, I threw 3 on a tank yesterday, and it didnt destroy it. Quit your complaining. You dont like C5 thrown at you. Try moving. The greater majority of armor drives to a flag or location, parks and farms infantry. You let one get to you, tough. Youre not supposed to be invulnerable.
Good pilots as always moving. Always turning. They increase the difficulty of destruction. C5 is fine.
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:no one is going to be chucking 3 C5 on you from a moving transport. i am absolutely against nerfing C5 on vehicles. next people will say AT mines are unfair and it should take 4 to kill a tank.
there is nothing wrong with c5. you just need to have situational awareness
I have plenty of situational awareness and have spent literally thousands of hours tanking during the 20 year series.
I'll forever remember 2042 as the C5 and transport chopper game.
It's my number one killer and I estimate about 90% of my tank deaths are due to C5.
The other 10% are pretty evenly spread between rockets and choppers with other tanks being very low on things I die to in a tank.
It's far too easy to C5 tanks which have terrible instant acceleration and terrible turn speed at low speed and of course no gadget restriction which means there's never been this many enemies running with C5.
Oh and of course how could I forget the C5 users parachuting down from the ever present transport choppers in the sky.
@Tank2042Man It's my number one killer and I estimate about 90% of my tank deaths are due to C5.
I bet your numbers are bit skewed, but let us say they arent. Im trying to T1 my C5 without the use of Ranger or vehicles or other methods of delivery. I die 9 out of 10 times.
You're only experiencing the successful deployments. Youre not experiencing the 90% failure.
A 1/10 success ratio does not need to be nerfed. 99/100 of the vehicles I kill are stationary armor farming ground in their mental state of
Keep moving and you reduce teh chance of C5 deaths exponentially
he does have a point tho
it is much much easier to kills vehicles with c5 becouse there are more options on how you approach the vehicle.
sundance and Mackay have the easiest part, the constant spawning from above inside the hind/condor, now also from the cram spawn beacon who serves as a team spawnpoint etc.
It is defenitely easier to kill vehicles inn2042
the question for a throwing distance nerf is justified, an angel can throw the arround like candys.
Just an aside, I managed to jump on top of a tank as a mechanic and repair it constantly through several intense fire fights. The driver must have felt INVINCIBLE!
@Bolvard wrote:
@Padding_Ur_Statsand still in the end I managed to destroy every vehicle when I saw an enemy tank doing well becouse i picked sundance c5 and waited for an opening
Waited for an opening. Why wait if Sundance is so good? Youre wording this like it is a slam dunk. You do realize 3 C5 on the top of a tank doesn't destroy it now, right?
But aside from that, in 2042 it is possible that every infantrysoldier you encounter has c5 so… yeah
Every Infrantry huh? How do you explain the plethora of ammo crates, spawn beacons, med crates, Recoils et al. Are people cheating and getting more then one gadget choice? Or are you spewing information to make it seem tanks are weak?
without a doubt, groundvehicles have to deal with the 6th time amount of threats compared to older titles in 2042.
C5, mines, Lis and recoil, are the only ground effects. That isn't 6 times. Lets examine each shall we
1: C5 - good range, once release cannot be steered, need 3 hits and then trigger. Must be placed in right areas, avoid dying throughout process. Vehicles moving decrease success rate of landing all 3 exponentially, especially if they turn. On average, 1/10 success. Increased success playing Sundance.
2: Mines: once laid, a crap shoot. Odds increase in Rush.
3: Recoil: 4 hits needed. Cannot be steered.
4: G-84: Limited Range. Lis lights up like a big target on screen. No agility in steering capacity. Fast moving vehicles outrun them. Vehicles with medium speed can avoid by turning and using obstruction. Cannot destroy a vehicle on its own. Needs teamwork.
Especialy Liz… you just need 3 or 4 Liz players who are devoted to theyr task and you basically have banished groundvehicles for the enemy team.
You mean..... dare I say it....... TEAMWORK! OMG how can BF have teamwork! I find it funny that when there are multiple vehicles on an objective farming ground, its teamwork, but when it is reverse and armor is the target GET THE NERF BAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive been told ad nausea in similar discussion, use teamwork to destroy armor. Now, YOU DECRY teamwork as OP! Which is it please?
C5 in 2042 should have the same throwing range like back in bf3.
Bull pucky. The accuracy of said range is horrible. Unless of course, youre not moving. That seems more like bad strat then C5 range. I dont see a need for a nerf because you cannot find the W key.
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
4: G-84: Limited Range. Lis lights up like a big target on screen. No agility in steering capacity. Fast moving vehicles outrun them. Vehicles with medium speed can avoid by turning and using obstruction. Cannot destroy a vehicle on its own. Needs teamwork.
Press the G-84 acceleration and you will be happy, probably you don’t know about it?
@AlkaniusRUS Press the G-84 acceleration and you will be happy, probably you don’t know about it?
I am aware of the boost, not the kill switch. The boost is how I get my Air kills.
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 man, that missile turns like * though lol (with or without boost on console)
The boost pretty much eliminates the turning ability. If you miss, the kill switch would be helpful here although the range is *. Ive spoken on the lack of agility the missiles have. That being said, even with all the shortcomings of Lis, if DICE did one thing, there would be no need to change her.
Remove Borg Regeneration from the game. Players, Vehicles, all of it.
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
But aside from that, in 2042 it is possible that every infantrysoldier you encounter has c5 so… yeah
Every Infrantry huh? How do you explain the plethora of ammo crates, spawn beacons, med crates, Recoils et al. Are people cheating and getting more then one gadget choice? Or are you spewing information to make it seem tanks are weak?
without a doubt, groundvehicles have to deal with the 6th time amount of threats compared to older titles in 2042.
C5, mines, Lis and recoil, are the only ground effects. That isn't 6 times. Lets examine each shall we
1: C5 - good range, once release cannot be steered, need 3 hits and then trigger. Must be placed in right areas, avoid dying throughout process. Vehicles moving decrease success rate of landing all 3 exponentially, especially if they turn. On average, 1/10 success. Increased success playing Sundance.
2: Mines: once laid, a crap shoot. Odds increase in Rush.
3: Recoil: 4 hits needed. Cannot be steered.
4: G-84: Limited Range. Lis lights up like a big target on screen. No agility in steering capacity. Fast moving vehicles outrun them. Vehicles with medium speed can avoid by turning and using obstruction. Cannot destroy a vehicle on its own. Needs teamwork.
I think you mis-understood the point of the two above statements...he's not saying that every soldier has C5, but IT'S POSSIBLE that every soldier has C5. No class system limited in what they can carry. Therefore, everyone you see might be carrying C5, not that they have C5 and a Recoiless.
The same with the second point....every player might have a rocket weapon, mines or C5. Imagine if out of 32 players on a side, 1/4 of them are running mines. That's 8 players with mines, times 3 mines, that's 24 mines. So another 1/4 is running Recoiless, etc.. I think you get my drift. The fact that ANYONE can carry ANY weapon type, a tank has less of a chance than with classes that are limited. It's a balance issue....
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
@Echo6EchoPossible is not happening. Its like 4 lis teaming up. It doesnt happen. Nerfing C5 because what could be isnt a reason.
C5 is the only thing infantry really have, and it isnt even effective. He is bloviating effectiveness to buy a nerf and it just isnt true
Agreed! NO NERF....sorry for the misunderstanding. Yeah no nerf, simply pointing out the ability...even though it doesn't happen 🙂
Just threw 3 C5s on a tank. did total 20% damage.
Someone is whining for EZMode
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@AlkaniusRUSman, that missile turns like * though lol (with or without boost on console)
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 You want to say that on the gamepad of the G-84 console you can twist more than the mouse on the PC? This is logical, the gamepad allows you to make a long strong turn that you cannot implement with a mouse on a rug. This makes it easier for them to hit air vehicles.
@AlkaniusRUS wrote:
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:
@AlkaniusRUSman, that missile turns like * though lol (with or without boost on console)@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 You want to say that on the gamepad of the G-84 console you can twist more than the mouse on the PC? This is logical, the gamepad allows you to make a long strong turn that you cannot implement with a mouse on a rug. This makes it easier for them to hit air vehicles.
i don't play on pc, i play on xbox. the missile has a VERY slow turn rate on console. you need the helicopter to be hovering to be able to hit it. if it moves the smallest amount the missile can't turn fast enough to compensate. if the helicopter is traveling in one direction you can lead your target but if the helicopter changes direction, again you can't turn fast enough to account for the change in direction (and that is with sensitivity turned the whole way up)
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 It is possible that there are some restrictions on the controllability of the G-84 on the Xbox, but I am haunted by the fact how sharply you can turn the rocket. When dodging a rocket, I make a sharp drop in altitude and move to the side; on a PC, using the mouse to follow such a maneuver of the G-84 is simply not realistic. I notice that only one player from the team makes such G-84 somersaults, that's why I have suspicions, how he twists the rocket like that and hits me. I note that in all cases I tried to actively dodge the rocket. The rest make natural mistakes.
