Re: The Nightbird forces players to leave (console)

"Vehicles are essential"

No they're not. They're simply part of Battlefield, not the end all.

"Battlefield is Battlefield because of vehicles"

Let's go back to BF2. Mashturr City & Songhua City only had transport helos. Strike At Karkand (BF2's most iconic map imo) only had ground vehicles. Sharqi Peniussula didn't have jets. There was an entire Special Forces expansion (which had the best map in the game imo, Warlord) with minimal vehicles and Armored Fury with more ground vehicles. Then we got BF3 where the most popular map in the game was Metro, a map with no vehicles at all.

Not every map needs vehicles, and not every map needs air vehicles.

If 2042 had a proper server browser and/or dedicated servers I would bet money that the majority of the player base would shift to custom portal servers where the night bird has been removed. Unfortunately it doesn't because this game uses bespoke amazon servers spun up when the lobby flushes to a game and destroys the game if the host leaves, which makes it impossible to keep a portal server up.

There is obviously a problem with the NB, it is too agile has a small hit box and too much armament to properly balance. IMHO it is broken.

Some of my best Battlefield memories are from maps that didn't feature air vehicles or where the air vehicles attacked each other and left ground troops alone. There were many of these over the Battlefield years.

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@SkyL4Ncer21 wrote:
@BFB-PraetorianVery bad idea in my opinion for several reasons

Battlefield is Battlefield because of vehicles and if you don't like them there's always team deathmatch servers open or of course call of duty... removing them from conquest literally destroys all of the gameplay a lot of players came for.

Vehicles are essential in all titles we can't just remove them from maps because some people feel like it.

What's the point of conquest mode then? If you do not want to be killed by air you have:

- Redacted 24/7 server
- Team deathmatch
- Portal custom experiences (you can open a server of your own and do whatever you want)

Removing air vehicles from maps is NO GO if you want to remove them yourself open a portal server

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The popularity and demand for maps like Redacted, Metro, Locker and others in the BF series, proves that vehicles very much ARE NOT what makes Battlefield.  It's variety of gameplay.  Also proves there is a genuine demand for maps that do not feature all vehicles.  I would very much welcome maps with just ground vehicles, and no air vehicles, like in previous titles.  But in 2042 we have just 1 map - Redacted.

And to suggest that "if we don't like it - go play Portal" is just ridiculous.  Low player counts, and reduced XP?  How about if you don't like Lis (from your other posts), you go create a Portal server and play that? 🙌

@MackTKau 

I appreciate your comments and efforts to argue with some people, although the arguments against my propositions have been unreasonable to the point of not being worth engaging with.

There are several other points I didn't even mention, but right now I want to focus on the point of Liz being a counter to the Nightbird.

In the title I mentioned "console" as this is where I have the most experience and information from.

Liz on console isn't much of a threat, since maneuvering vehicles is easier and aiming the missile harder.

I think some of you are too young to remember BF1942 "Thats an ok thing" I was in my mid 40's when it released. Aircraft dog fights were common. Sometimes they would strafe infantry but mostly it was vehicle vs vehicle not the vehicle infantry farm simulator it has become. That was Battlefield to me, large infantry vs large infantry going toe to toe.

I mis this formula.

JMHO

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@cso7777 wrote:
@UP_HawxxeyeI think there are several problems that hinder 'correct BF-gameplay'

People teamplays even less than ever, due to the live-service/game-pass system. Progression is based on assignments, not playing the 'core gameplay'.

Infantry fighting each other, are often 'sitting ducks' for fast moving air-vehicles. This is a fundamental problem with air-vehicles and infantry, and will be hard to solve.

Playing as 'anti-air-infantry' is boring. Games are played for having fun, not for 'doing boring work'.

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Each to their own.

I consider causing an enemy vehicle to explode to be a worthy cause and I will happily do it as long as it is needed.

All that said, the nightbird is a bit of a cheat code due to how heavily it is armed compared to its agility and hitbox. This thing carries two special miniguns with little spread and long range (not even tanks have that) and missile launcher; It is as heavily armed as a gunship without the drawbacks (including how its firepower is not diluted by being spread between different seats)

NB miniguns are good at everything. They are easy to destroy infantry; even 30mm cannot compare with the effectiveness of miniguns against infantry. In a confrontation against aviation, there is nothing to say, miniguns are without any doubt the best option. Missile weapons add to its effectiveness and make it practically a strong strike unit on the battlefield. An additional bonus that no one else has - High maneuverability, a small hitbox and the ability to shoot LIS from the side with TV missiles.
Imba in one word.
When such solo pilots start to annoy me, I also take the NB and begin to * off their team. What other options are there?!

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@AlkaniusRUS
Oh right, I forgot about how 2 Liz crew members can serve as two independent TV missile launching extensions.
The only problem is knowing other people who can use Liz well.

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Why a second one, you can do very well in solo. After all, it is not necessary to guide the TV Rocket to the target. Pointed at the target, turned on the acceleration and that's it, switch back to the pilot. And the rocket itself will reach the standing target. This is how I deal with tanks, 2 AGMs and 1 TV missile, the damage is stunning for a dunk. Then, in a quiet place, you reload the G-84 between times.

It would be a great opportunity to solve 2 problems at once with giving AP rounds that purpose and making them especially effective against air/lightly armored vehicles.

I would also like it if you could damage air vehicles with small arms fire.

Well they "can" ... sort of.

Standard ammo with the SFAR for example tickles aircraft, but the standard ammo on the M60 doesn't even do that.

.50 cal 'sniper-rifles' are anti-vehicle weapons in real life. Why not do the same in this game?

It shouldn't be able to 'oneshot' a NB, but doing 'real' damage would be nice.