With all the talk being that console players want crossplay with consoles only and getting rid of those disgusting cheating PC players should the next game release be console based only?I will say upfront that I am one of those PC players so obviously I must be a cheater but this is not what the question is about. I only state it to be transparent and that I am only asking the question and not trying to ignite another of those long winded debates that these forums seem to thrive on. If you answer this question or participate in this thread feel free to simply state one of the three options listed below and leave it at that.Who knows, if enough people respond to this then it may give EA and Dice a sort of benchmark to help decide if the next release is console based only. Console OnlyConsole and PCA console only version and a PC only versionMy answer is Console and PC.

@CascadiaSRL I personally would choose option #3 A console only version and a PC only versionOriginally, I couldn't care less about cross-play one way or another but after reading the forums here and on Reddit as well as Twitter, obviously, a lot of console players don't want to play with PC players because PC players apparently have an unfair advantage because of mouse and keyboard or god-like superpowers because we use PCs or all PC players are cheaters blah, blah, blah.It's tiresome and I say just give them what they are asking for.As a PC player I personally don't think any sort of "aim-assist" belongs in any FPS period full-stop, and I honestly don't believe they'll ever get the net-code figured out between the two and I think consoles are holding back what could be achieved with this game if they had a PC-only version the number of assets and "levolution" per map would be significantly higher as well as much more detailed.

@Ironhead841 wrote:@CascadiaSRL I personally would choose option #3 A console only version and a PC only versionOriginally, I couldn't care less about cross-play one way or another but after reading the forums here and on Reddit as well as Twitter, obviously, a lot of console players don't want to play with PC players because PC players apparently have an unfair advantage because of mouse and keyboard or god-like superpowers because we use PCs or all PC players are cheaters blah, blah, blah.It's tiresome and I say just give them what they are asking for.As a PC player I personally don't think any sort of "aim-assist" belongs in any FPS period full-stop, and I honestly don't believe they'll ever get the net-code figured out between the two and I think consoles are holding back what could be achieved with this game if they had a PC-only version the number of assets and "levolution" per map would be significantly higher as well as much more detailed.OMG, Thank you for those words.

@Ironhead841 wrote:@CascadiaSRL I personally would choose option #3 A console only version and a PC only versionOriginally, I couldn't care less about cross-play one way or another but after reading the forums here and on Reddit as well as Twitter, obviously, a lot of console players don't want to play with PC players because PC players apparently have an unfair advantage because of mouse and keyboard or god-like superpowers because we use PCs or all PC players are cheaters blah, blah, blah.It's tiresome and I say just give them what they are asking for.As a PC player I personally don't think any sort of "aim-assist" belongs in any FPS period full-stop, and I honestly don't believe they'll ever get the net-code figured out between the two and I think consoles are holding back what could be achieved with this game if they had a PC-only version the number of assets and "levolution" per map would be significantly higher as well as much more detailed.Good post, sums it up perfectly. 👍

@CascadiaSRL Console and PC because of the all mighty $$$$$.

No.It should return to its roots and be PC only.One of the main reasons this franchise continued to sink is due to the fatal consolitis it had contracted many years ago, and here we are, finally at its death bed.That started with Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 3. Both of those games, while technologically superior, had far inferior gameplay and functionality. People don't even remember just how many features were absent from Battlefield 3 when it was released nor the fact that there was an uproar from the PC community because of it. No commo rose, anyone? Then there's introduction of Rush and the awful map design that came with Bad Company. Now the majority of these games are filled with smaller scale, funnels of maps. No wonder the large, conquest maps suck in this. They've forgotten how to make them years ago. The people that did? They are clearly no longer employed by them.The fact that a lot of people are complaining about vehicles in a game that's build its reputation on featuring large scale, sea, air and ground vehicle combat? Well, what further evidence does one need that this franchise is dead?

Should the next Battlefield game be console only?

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DigitalHype
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
They just need a smarter matchmaker. Make no-crossplay the default and fall back to crossplay if not enough players. Instead of forcing everyone into a static pool, add some logic to it with priority. It would slow the matchmaking times for a low population game. But it would still allow DICE/EA to take advantage of the increased pool of players by default. Give us 3 options.
Option 1 (default): Attempt to match with players on my same platform first. If not enough players found then match all platform.
Option 2. Always attempt to match with all platforms.
Option 3. Never attempt to match with other platforms.
With option 1 as default, it would still let DICE off the hook when it comes to not having enough players to seed the matchmaker due to times of low popularity. And if they want to do SBMM, they can still put checks around Option 1 for standard deviation of skill, and if exceeded some maximum it would switch to crossplay.
CascadiaSRL
3 years ago
@Boro666pl Just to make sure of something here, the part of my opening post that you chose to quote was me being facetious. I play on PC obviously and to be honest I havent really seen any great amount of cheaters/hackers while ingame. Of course I dont play this game much anymore either. Like you I get killed a crazy amount of times in exactly the manner as you have described.

LOL, no. I will never miss clusterfs with aholes running around doing their run and gun awesomeness. I prefer to see and participate in a more organized manner with likeminded players but this game does not lend itself to that nor will it ever.
Boro666pl
Rising Traveler
3 years ago
@CascadiaSRL Anyways, crossplay is the future and people have to deal with it. Sure, you can say this and that, but finally after all those years, when Sony was actively blocking implementation of crossplay in games, we can finally play with our friends on different platforms. And even play at all, because now the lobbies finally are always full. I'm in a good position because my region is EU. The community is big here, but for example people in AUS region always struggled. Even now with crossplay it's not all rainbows and unicorns.
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@CascadiaSRL easiest fix would be to allow any platform to choose their input device and be matchmade accordingly.
if you play with a controller and have a M&K user in your party you get put in mixed lobbies... i know this splits the playerbase but according to some posts a lot of console players would like to plug in M&K
emerson1975
3 years ago
You can only cross play based on input just like fortnight has for the past 2 year!
You either use input based matchmaking or don’t bother at all.
To say the game is being held back by consoles is ridiculous lol the ps5 and series x are more than powerful enough and probably have more grunt than most peoples pc’s on here!
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@emerson1975 the issue seems to be optimization/netcoding....
The consoles are at a locked refresh-rate (i think 60Hz) and PCs can have varying refresh-rates, yet the server tickrate is locked on 45Hz yet at times it seems to run worse then BF4 servers with 30Hz....
i do not know what causes the game to feel so bad but i wouldn't be suprised if the console-versions especially the old-gen consoles are bottelnecking the ever living heck out of what DICE can achieve..
Ga-Knomboe_Boy
3 years ago
Should the next Battlefield game be console only? A big fat NO.

Battlefield began on PC and the best aspects of the franchise are a result of PC clan-centric teamplay.

If they make a console only version it will be used as an excuse to dumb down and push the direction of the game closer to CoD.

Its already been like that for a while, but this would happen at an extremely accelerated pace.

I play on console and the best thing about BF2042 is that I play against PC players.

If this wasn't an option there would not be enough players in my region to play.

Furthermore, playing against PC players increases the skill ceiling - I used to get top 3 every game in BF5 / BF1 / BF4 with little effort on console.

Now if I get top 3 its because I did some wicked [Edited by moderation]

The aim assist was totally stuffed when the game came out but if anything they have compensated too much and its too easy to get accurate shots with aim assist - I have to turn it down to get head shots.

They should just add mouse and keyboard support to console, have crossplay and non-crossplay games indicated with an icon so both are visible at the same time on server browser and avoid the previous gen consoles for any future release.
BgobbleD
3 years ago
@kregora wrote:
@Ironhead841 wrote:
@CascadiaSRL
As a PC player I personally don't think any sort of "aim-assist" belongs in any FPS period full-stop, and I honestly don't believe they'll ever get the net-code figured out between the two and I think consoles are holding back what could be achieved with this game if they had a PC-only version the number of assets and "levolution" per map would be significantly higher as well as much more detailed.
It comes down to different people playing the same game with different rules.
I already have issues to understand what other pc players are capable of or not, and it becomes more difficult with console players and all the aim assist related mechanics.
Aim Assist is becoming a major battle on Modern Warfare 2 forums as well. Theres videos showing how insane its getting for controller players. I play on PS5 and can attest to its strengths. Does it guarantee im winning fights against KnM? No. They still have better speed and accuracy to some degree especially when at longer range and with dealing with 1 shot snipers. But its pretty crazy how much AA is controlling my aim. And I feel like I MUST use it to keep up.
But heres the thing: theres already a solution for controller players to get "mouse-like" aim without needing Aim Assist.
Gyro Aim. And not the Wii days of gyro aim. Its been improved tremendously since then especially in the last couple of years.
I, along with a large growing part of the community have been converting to it and begging for its implementation in all shooters for console players. Just like a mouse, its way more responsive of an aiming system vs sticks. I play a decent amount of Fortnite because it has a great implenentation of Flick Stick Gyro Aim and man it feels good to just flick on people as when I use to when I played on PC. And this is all done with a PS5 controller and Aim Assist is shut OFF.
Here are some example videos from various game and some of these are playing on PC because its the only way to get Gyro Aim (through Steam or some other platform) since not every shooter has it:
https://youtu.be/vlC2yVa9LWI
https://youtu.be/GD8Vnj_izgc
https://youtu.be/QPsHM55-oIM
Is it the solution for all players? No. But for someone like me who doesnt mind crossplay with all platforms, its a great, evolutionary system for controller players to improve gaming on console and bridge the gap between analog stick aiming and MnK aiming. We have begun seeing a trend of devs implementing it. Just wished it was a bit faster.
DaveTheBrave_USA
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@CascadiaSRL Separate console and PC versions. It seems to me there are unfair advantages to both sides. Crossplay seems so "unnatural" to me.
SleepyWeasel68
3 years ago
@CascadiaSRL Console only and PC only, but I doubt that there’s enough player base to separate the two; especially after this release.

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