SMGs still too good?
Yes, the patches have made the situation better but I feel that SMGs are still a tad too good, especially at range, compared to other weapon types. On the subject of range...... I am torturing myse...
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@Rusty Rat the problem is, take SMGs out the equation and with the possible exception of a few outliers, weapon balance is good.
If all other weapon types are buffed, they can all reach a level where there is no real difference and weapon choice becomes personal and not situational.
SMGs throws all that out the window, SMGs are, in my opinion the outlier and therefore nerfs here are appropriate.
If all other weapon types are buffed, they can all reach a level where there is no real difference and weapon choice becomes personal and not situational.
SMGs throws all that out the window, SMGs are, in my opinion the outlier and therefore nerfs here are appropriate.
@Trokey66 As I said before, I feel that the problem is that they have brought effective ranges down on all weapons to SMG territory. We have huge maps, but effective range of even sniper rifles starts to drop at 150 m. Instead of bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator, stretch things out and make weapons effective at different ranges and for different tasks.
Currently the only real difference between LMGs, Rifles and SMGs seems to be magazine size and recoil/spread. The game mechanics seem to be that SMGs have a lower caliber round, and therefore do not recoil as much, so are much more accurate on full auto. While that is to a degree true, past 100 to 150 m, accuracy should be poor (even on semi). Assault rifles should be able to reach out much further, but take a bigger accuracy hit if the trigger is held down for more than a short burst. LMGs are designd to lay down fire, but not necessarily be accurate (suppressive fire on an area). Snipers and DMRs are semi or bolt action, and designed to reach out more accurately, but penalise them by making them slow to aim and extremely inaccurate while moving, with accuracy improving as you stand, kneel and go prone.
The current nerf/balance models seem to concentrate on close range combat and just bring everything down (which essentially ends up creating the no real difference you mention). Make different weapons effective at different ranges for different purposes and you have to make a decision in a loadout. Keep nerfing everything for use in a tight CQB box and everyone just moves from one meta to the next as the nerfs appear (Just like COD).
- @Rusty Rat But LMGs don't suppression and even if you hit, there is no accuracy penalty.
And I'm not saying everything needs to be brought down, just SMG's, everything else seems fine.
Apart from LMGs not suppressing of course. @Trokey66 I understand you point of them being too effective in the close quarter battles currently, but that was my point. With the large maps we have, why do we have short range weapons? the damage and accuracy drop offs at such short range just means everyone fights in little clusters, with the rest of the map being driven (or more likely run) across by respawning players. Push the range of weapons out that are supposed to be effective at longer ranges and more of the map will be used, while at the same time removing dominance of SMGs.
If the other weapons get an effective range buff (with the balances I mentioned before) then the SMG would still be dominant (potentially matched by shotguns) at close quarters, but other weapons would be able to engage from further out than the SMG could.
@Rusty RatNo, I expect to lose against an SMG in CQC but not at range, that is the problem!
If you increase the effective range of all other weapons to compensate, you are essentially making the maps smaller in terms of engagements.There are complaints of a lack of infantry focused combat and by that, they mean Locker/Metro type stuff. There are areas where that can occur but the range of weapons often means an approach is thwarted before close encounters can fully develop.
@Trokey66 But if you don't increase the effective range of the other weapons outside of close quarters distance, the only solution to the SMG being to effective would be to nerf the SMG. As combat ranges for most weapons are essentially close quarters already, just how close would the SMG have to be restricted? Or would you propose a nerf to damage, ROF, etc?
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