@fragnsteinOh really ? Well last time i check ive played thousands of hours in BF games From 1942 and thousands of hours in BF2 and BF2 MC as well as almost 800 hours in BFBC , Thousands of hours on BFBC2 on PC and Ps3 and X360 yep i had it on all 3 platform but the X360 version was terrible .. Then BF3 BF4 i hate world war games now so i barely played BF1 and BFV and didnt like it .. its to old and boring ! My favorte BF game is 2142 because the titan Mode was incredible attacking the titan was amasing .. Also i have over 3500 Hours + in planetside 2 and 1000+ hours in planetside 1 so yep And so far 400 hours of BF2042 so i think i have a pretty good grasp of every aspect of it .. Air Ground and Vehicles , 120mm tanks , etc.. I am a combine arms game guy so i know my stuff
Also last time i check i was playing BF3 10 years ago lol and BF4 was unplayable for a year after launch it became somewhat playable in august of the next year lol
And i had all the DLC for every games
Also the main reason we abandonned BF in favor of planetside 2 it was become BF never offered bigger than 4 to 5 squad members and we had a community that was able to put 20 to 30 guys at the same time ... So we got frustrated and anoyed that the match kept switching us from side to side while in the same party .. the game did not allowed us to play togheter and so much more issues with finding match we got bored of it .. So we got into planetside wich always had sufficient room for us to play as a team as a clan
@Stew360 I think what @fragnstein is trying to say is that you haven’t played the newest games for thousands of hours. You don’t like world war games that’s understandable but then you have no clue how good BF1 was and although BFV is never going to be as good as BF1/3/4, it’s still a solid game now. I don’t blame you for not playing the latest BF games which were World wars but then saying I played more than 1000 hours of BFBC,BC2,2142,2,1942 is irrelevant because they are the oldest games in the franchise and a lot of stuff has changed since then. BFBC2 being more than 12 years old at this point. So the last time you played a Battlefield game properly was probably like 8-9 years ago. Although you can express your opinion on this forum I don’t know how right it is for you to defend 2042 when the last battlefield you played was in 2013. I’m with @fragnstein on this one.
@DanielRicciardo
I played enough . I played BF1 Beta for about 30+ hours then the released game for about 8 hours lol .. I played BFV for about 30+ hours also BETA and release .. Even played recently
The only things i liked about BFV was crouch sprint moove , the Slide wich is a bit better than BF2042 wich was similar to BFV in the beta yet DICE " listen " to the so call community and nerf it heavily .. Same goes for what they did to the weapons it was this so call " community feedback " who made them make these totally broken innacurate weapons at launch ... The problem is there is no homogenous BF community .. Everyones are asking totally vastly different things and have worlld appart vision so DICE simply cannot listen " to the so call community " because no matter what they do they will be reprimended for it by a portion of this so call community ..
I played BF4 barely few months ago .. i played BFV few months ago as well lol and i played more combine arms games like Delta force black hawk down , Operation falshpoint , BF2 project reality mod , BF2 , Planetside 1 , Planetside 2 , Frontline fuel war , Original battlefront , and so on and on than most peoples could ever dream off lol
Thats said its not about me here .. i played so far over 400 hours of BF2042 .. I have mastery 40+ to 70+ with 4 specialist .. Mastery 40+ on more than 10 weapons and 5 vehicles Night bird etc.. I play Air , ground and infantry all very well so was i in past games .. And so was i in Planetside 2 wich was heavily inspired by battlefield in terms of gameplay gunplay vehicles control etc.. And we left BF3/4 because of one main issue , it was almost impossible to play as a clan and it was a pain to be in a squad and remain into that squad and this problem still exist today in BF2042 ...
Here is me playing BFV Recently as well
@Zoikon I’m glad you mentioned this I forgot to write it in my reply that I used to play with a group of 15 players on playstation after BF1 was released. We all used to get into the same server regardless of there being 15 players with the help of the platoon system and the server browser. Sure it would take atleast 5 mins for everyone to get into the game but we did play together on the same team for hours. We had like 3 different squads of 5 on the same team. And I have seen other platoons do the same thing on other battlefield’s too. So @Stew360 point about 20-30 people not able to join the same server is not valid.
@X-Sunslayer-XIts benefiting their squads base on wichever mission they set themselves into achieving . There is part of maps that favor snipe or scouts and a squad dosnt need to have 4 recons abilitys even if they all need snipe like weapons to moove foward .. one can play casper 1 angel 1 falk 1 Rao or whoever they need .. They are not forced into classes duplicate and squads are the ones creating they own team composition without being forced into gadjets or weapons they dont need
All your arguments are not base on improoving teamplay or squad play your arguments are always based on limiting the solo players you dislike even if its at the price of hurting teamplay
@Stew360That's one way of looking at it.
I feel you put a lot of subjectivity and pathos into your arguments. Wingsuit could be a gadget limited to Sundance, but as an option. How come BF4 had terrible deisgn?? They had main gun type, Carbines, shotguns and DMRs to choose from. In BF4 you still could addapt to type of combat, E.G. CqC or long distance etc. But the classes had advantages in some areas.. how is that bad?
@ZoikonI´m with you here, the balance between specialists would be much better if they each had different drawbacks for using them.
As you said mobility specialists like Sundance and McKay should not be able to carry heavy gadgets or weaponds. Dozer and Boris might not be able to use traversal sprint because they carry heavy gear and so on.
Each specialist need a drawback, this would have been solved automaticaly with classes. In previous games there are positives and negatives for using each class as it should be. Othervise there is no need for teamplay.
@Stew360Restrictions breed creativity. That's why they worked so well for 20 years. Other games in the series had variations on loadouts but the basic structure remained the same.
If you give people the freedom to pick whatever they want, they all gravitate to the same 'meta'. This isn't even exclusive to Battlefield (or FPS games in general). World of Warcraft had this exact issue, which prompted a complete overhaul of the talent system to discourage 'cookie cutter' builds.
Picking a class for your favourite weapon also meant that you had to perform the intrinsic duties of that class. I didn't pick engineer in BF4 for the repair tool but I'd use it when the need from teammates arised.
I also think you might be romanticizing squad based play. Pickup squads rarely coordinated that well. But at least with classes people would naturally fall in to their chosen role within a squad/team.
Nope it does not , it limits what peoples can do and peoples are copy and pasting others and just like what ive seen from past BF peoples playing the same map 24/7 with the same classes 24/7 with the same " meta weapon " 24/7 was the result of classes restriction and decades of copy pasting mechanics ..
The specialist system does not address this issue. There are still copy+paste variations running around because it's easier to copy the meta now. Most of the replies in this thread attest to seeing all kinds of weapons amoung classes and I'd happily add my voice to that. Have been playing BFV for multiple says now and I'm seeing a lot of variation in the guns being used per class. It's rare that I'm killed by the TYPE 100 by multiple medics in a single game. This pattern applies to every BF game I've ever played going back to BF1942. There was rarely (and I only say rarely because I personally can't recall) a period where engineers only ran one primary weapon. You don't even see that consistency with snipers. You'd need someo hard numbers to prove otherwise, or its your own anecdotal experience vs everyone elses in this thread (who largely don't agree with you).
Now Team composition can be way more varied , squads can setup way better teamplay and squad synergy .. As if Freedom does not bring creativity ...
Again, you're romanticizing the squad system. Most don't do this. People aren't even using VOIP. Outside of clans, squads are not sitting down in the lobby to organise loadouts. This wasn't a problem in any previous title either. I don't consult with my squad before picking recon. I just want to use the Lee Enfield today. But having set classes means that I'll at least spot enemies, lay down spawn points, flare, etc because not doing so would be detrimental for me, and by extension the squad and team.
And no there was no requirement to furfill the classes roles ... How many time have i sit in front of a Medic or a engineer or a support in past BF games Screaming with comorose I need Amo , I Need repair and never get it even getting in the way of their scope and still they didnt care ?
How many time medic players aka assault were sitting on my dead corpse and didnt revived me ?
This problem hasn't gone away. It's a player mentality/awareness issue, not a mechanics issue. I have rounds in every game across every genre where I experience good and bad team mates. BF2042, even during the beta, was no exception. Many Falcks will still run past my bleeding body without a second glance to tunnel a kill. BFV's solution to this was to allow players to take ammo/med packs off of friendly players. Best system so far.
The specialist system does not address this directly or indirectly. It's just as easy to pick medic as it is to pick a medpack gadget. Doesn't mean they'll use it to help teammates. You'd need hard stats to prove that per gadget, people are healing more.
Incidentally, the most consistent high quality team work rounds I've had were in BF4. At least when it came to healing/resuppy/repairing.
This thread, wow!!
Specialists system is better, think about situation like this
I like using Assault Rifle and LMG but I also like reviving teammates so we can keep going pushing the objectives while also can equip M5 Recoilles if there's some naughty Bolte need to get rid of. How do I do that in class systems? The game force me that I have to choose if I like using Assault Rifle so then I cannot revive teammates or when I try to grind for LMG Tier 1 I have to stop reviving teammates
Restricting players is not the answer for better teamwork instead they will choose the best weapon for them to kill enemies. You know there are some people that used Engineer in Op. Locker map lol, why? Because they like using PDW and their gadgets are useless in infantry only map
Let the players choose whatever weapons they like combined with no restrictions so they can bring useful gadgets while being effective as a team because they can kill enemies with weapons they are good using at
Do you guys never think like that?
@Botax_OkkyI admit I thought it sounded good on paper to, but in practice in a Battlefield game?
It does not work, it´s just chaos, sure previous games where also chaos, but it whas controlled chaos. The idea of specialists would fit better in a smaller scale spin-off Battlefield game.
You cannot judge chaos because of Specialist, there are still no voice chat in the game, maybe that is why there's chaos that you speak of @Blackidus
