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Stew360
4 years ago

Stop comparing BF2042 specialist to COD . BF specs were not made to sell skins !

BF2042 specialist change something to the gameplay , they have passive and active skills traits that change the way they play and react to the battlefield and the way they serve the team and teamplay they can provide 

COD Operators are just a fancy name to sell " HERO SKINS " and are PURELY cosmetics and change nothing to the gameplay ... I can play as RAMBO or as GHOST in COD warzone and it would change JackSHi to the gameplay .. it will be exactly the same ...

Specialist in BF were not made to sell skins . They could have done the same things as COD if they wanted to sell skils they could have kept the classes system and sell just skins that are for Medics characters , engineers characters and so on and then it would have been exactly like COD . Selling skins that change NOTHING to the gameplay and the way the synergie work ..

DICE wanted to INNOVATE and make the game better , expand on the classes system and create more choices and more teamplay possibility , more variety and more everything and improove the game ..

Those who keep whining about this change SIMPLY DONT GIVE ANY CHANCE to the system . They just want to be hardhead stuck in their nostalgia and making as if the past battlefield design choice made sens ...

Why a Medic in BF2 had an AR then in Bad company 2 had LMG and in BF3 they had an AR . Why in bad company 1 the Support had Medkits , repair kits and mortars ? Why was the demolitionist stuck with Shotguns in maps like OASIS ? Like are you kidding me ? 

These arbitrary choices that only lead to classes imbalance due to players choosing a classes simply to get a single gadjet or weapons was not HELPING teamwork it was detrimental to teamwork ..

If you play with a squads now that you played before , you have WAY MORE teamplay options and team synergie to experiment with ! not less 

NOSTALGIA IS RIDICULOUS and cloud your vision ! 

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  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago

    @X-Sunslayer-XHell no its not . and that you want to beleive it show you are either dishonest or i wont say the other reason to not become disrespectfull .

    The reality is they would have sell skins at some point specialist or not . And COD sell skins without any game mechanics or anything of what nature attached to it ..

    Specialist are Subclasses of an archetype furfilling a roles on the battlefield

    Assault Flanking/pushing
    Engineers Defense/walls/repair
    Recon hacking/Recon/Intel
    Support Medic/resuply/armor

    Etc.. and they will had more specialist that will enhance the game even more .. If all they wanted to do would have been to sell skins .. They would have copied COD or FOrtnite way to do it without having to pay Designers and Devs to create this extensive and very well tought out system wich probably cost millions in salary to design code , animate and more ..

    If they wanted to selll skins only they would have sell Medic , support , engineers and Recon skins that change nothing to the basic gameplay they have copy and paste for so many games lol

    SPPECIALIST ARE NOT ONLY ABOUT THEIR ACTIVE SKILLS BUT THEY ALSO HAVE PASSIVE 

  • CPU_UK's avatar
    CPU_UK
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @Stew360I see your point, but think about it, it takes exactly the same amount of bullets to kill Dozer as it does Sundance- yet one has has blast resistance, the other no armour at all. All have the same weapon access- why can Sundance fly with a Recoiless on her back etc. Like I said, there are no downsides to making a choice, therefore it's all meaningless. DICE has forgotten it's own mantra- "rock, paper, scissors".

  • X-Sunslayer-X's avatar
    X-Sunslayer-X
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Stew360 okay,
    riddle me this then:
    all you have given so far are the old class designations... so we agree that specialists are more or less the classes, just with different skins.
    and you yourslef said that they are about their passive just as much...
    what BF2042 has done is basically take one slot of equipment away from the player, thus limiting them more or less.
    now you can keep lying to yourself and claim it is for the betterment of the gameplay, but if you want to ignore the easy monetication DICE implemented with them for down the road then keep it to yourself.
    like i said before i do not care if they are called classes or specialists now, what i do care about is that they are poorly designed and clearly imbalanced. on top of the fact that sooner or later DICE will throw so many paid cosmetics down our throats that we will nto even be able to cry uncle anymore.
    and that is the main reason why they are here. to milk players of more money in a 60-120€ game
  • Stew360's avatar
    Stew360
    4 years ago
    @claudiu111 Learn to read before commenting . Also you make yourself look well i wont say . But its not flatering for what you project about mental acuity ...

    You realise that if they wanted to sell skins they wouldn't have needed to create a insanely extensive gameplay loop , balance etc.. to do so ?

    All they would have had to do is to sell thousands of skins who does not impact gameplay just like COD operator or Fortnite skins ...

    Specialist were created to EXPAND the classes system and create new gameplay experience .. Your little Reddit perroting is pathological ! Think before talking ! Understand before spewing non sens !
  • CountSero's avatar
    CountSero
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    I'm with @Stew360 the Specialist are an evolution of the old class system

    Also, with Specialist they bring you the freedom of choice to build any class you want, you need only to adapt it

    And I repeat myself again when I say that player are responsible for team play not classes…

    Also, EA/DICE already monetizing BF since since BF2

    For BF2 there where the Special Forces an add on which was very good but then they released Booster Packs instead of an another Add on

    BF4 had beside the map pack also cases with EXP boost and attachments...

    Also, VIP which could bypass normal ques on a server…

    BF1 had weapons skins, BFV hat weapon skins and Skins for soldiers

    So, they already monetizing skins since a long time…

    And as Stew360 says the Specialist bring much mor to the game than selling skins

    But it seems more like that some people can only see the worst things instead of the good which BF2042 has.

    So have a nice Day and See you on the Battlefield

  • Ga-Knomboe_Boy's avatar
    Ga-Knomboe_Boy
    4 years ago

    If games needed characters to behave exactly the same with no gameplay differentiation to sell skins then there wouldn't be skins in Dota, or League of Legends, or Overwatch, or any other such hero shooter / hero based game.

    In reality having characters in a team based game with specific skills that players will gravitate towards is exactly a way of selling skins and doing so with less effort.

    The player will use a particular character more because it suits their playstyle rather than what the situation at the time calls for the team to win.

    If a player uses a particular character more they are more likely to purchase a skin.

    Instead of providing a variation of a skin for each class they only need to make one skin and set up the coding for one specialist.

    Instead of selling a pack of skins that covers all the classes they can sell each skin individually.

    Instead of players thinking "hmm this is a pretty cool outfit for so and so team which I can only play on these certain levels" they think "COOL I can deck out Sundance and play my skin on any map".

    If anything the fact that the specialists are able to mix more gadgets and weapons than the classes in every other previous game shows that they are moving away from having specific roles and towards a jack of all trades approach ala CoD - one where you can do essentially anything you want with the same character.

    Like I've defended aspects of BF2042 but it's pretty plainly obvious that specialists were created specifically to sell more skins.

  • ragnarok013's avatar
    ragnarok013
    Hero+
    4 years ago

    A reminder for everyone to remain civil and respectful in your discourse even if you disagree.

  • AntEater1997's avatar
    AntEater1997
    Seasoned Hotshot
    4 years ago

    @CountSero Except I can't build the class I want because one of the abilities is locked to the crappy specialist. If I want to run full on vehicle support, I can't have a repair tool and rocket/mines. Its one or the other, which is severely limiting. So what? Am I suppose to hope for a specialist and another feature to come out with one of those things to play how I want? But at least my sentry has a little elf hat on it /s

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