Hey guys I have a crazy idea. Instead of blaming the specialists for no teamwork, how bout we blame the battlefield community that seems to forget that teamwork is essential. Crazy idea I know.

Well yes, you are 100 percent correct, BUT specialist does not PROMOTE teamwork. AS a specialist you can manage it all by youself.The class system in previous games worked towards promoting teamwork hence you could not give ammo to youself while also firing AT rockets and heal yourself.Besides who finds it immersive playing against 63 woody lookalikes ....

With all due respect, you’re lying to yourself if you think the classes promoted teamwork. The same problems I face now happened in every battlefield game with classes. They are just exasperated more in this title. Medics in older titles would just run past you, support wouldn’t drop ammo no matter if you shot them or talked to them in chat. The only classes that did play teamwork were recon and engineer and those classes were more solo orientated

@Lancelot_du_LacThe interest in BF is still out there, I think if they had included the so called legacy features (or as we call it, Battlefield) they would have had a huge hit. Sure hit reg, and a bunch of other bugs would have been present, and anybody who suffered through 3 and onwards would have known and bitched about it, but still bought the game and played it. Instead we lost all but the most very hardcore BF gamers (and possibly also foolish, I’m still thinking about that) by abandoning almost everything that makes BF, BF. EA has no idea how many people want a return to the glory days of BF. The old guard is still out there, and has way more disposable income than when they were younger. They may want some new players to join, but it’s the old ones with the money, honey. EA will never know how much they lost by mismanaging this game and release.

Believe it or not, the specialist system and the class system are very similar. The only thing that separates them are the unique gadgets and names. As for me personally I don’t mind the specialists and I kinda like them ( this a sin in battlefield community apparently). Would I rather have classes back, yes but at the same time I don’t want them to remove specialists. I hope DICE sees this and takes the Star Wars Battlefront 2 approach in which you have your main classes but then you can select the specialists if you want.

@ElliotLH Ye, the folks that just grab an ammo kit and play solo are deeply frustrating.I usually play Falck (since I play medic mostly) and I like her kit - I res folks frequently (at my own risk most of the time) and spend a lot of time healing. It's solid and being able to heal at range is great.It's just a shame there's not more to encourage specialist diversity to create more teamplay opportunities. The tools are all there for interesting interactions between specialist skills or their skills and gadgets. There's just no real systems to highlight those options or reward players for using them. Which would be complex to set up, and given that we don't even have a properly functioning scoring system like in past BF games is likely unreasonable.Shame, because the teamplay options are potentially amazing.

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0ld_yell0w
4 years ago
Well yes, you are 100 percent correct, BUT specialist does not PROMOTE teamwork. AS a specialist you can manage it all by youself.
The class system in previous games worked towards promoting teamwork hence you could not give ammo to youself while also firing AT rockets and heal yourself.
Besides who finds it immersive playing against 63 woody lookalikes ....
AcousticXero
New Scout
4 years ago
With all due respect, you’re lying to yourself if you think the classes promoted teamwork. The same problems I face now happened in every battlefield game with classes. They are just exasperated more in this title. Medics in older titles would just run past you, support wouldn’t drop ammo no matter if you shot them or talked to them in chat. The only classes that did play teamwork were recon and engineer and those classes were more solo orientated
Skill4Reel
4 years ago
@0ld_yell0w wrote:
Well yes, you are 100 percent correct, BUT specialist does not PROMOTE teamwork. AS a specialist you can manage it all by youself.
The class system in previous games worked towards promoting teamwork hence you could not give ammo to youself while also firing AT rockets and heal yourself.
Besides who finds it immersive playing against 63 woody lookalikes ....
This is so wrong. I can go play Battlefield 1 right now which not only has the class system in place, but also some of the best squad features in the series and see the same solo player mentality in squads that is so prevalent in BF2042. There is no difference. If the class system promoted teamwork, then why was there always so little of it in previous Battlefield games? The lack of teamwork in previous Battlefield games is probably the main reason why the developers were so comfortable changing things in BF2042.
This series needs a ranked area where wins matter. That is the only way to get the team players in the Battlefield community in the same place for truly great matches all of the time.
CascadiaSRL
4 years ago
It seems to me that the "lone wolf" self serving, self important, selfish players are more the norm than the exception nowadays. This goes for most games and not just in Battlefield. As memory recalls, and this is going back a ways, in BF3 you could run your own clan server and voice was either available ingame or through TS or something similiar. We had lots of good times when we could communicate and be there for one another. I also dont think crossplay was a thing back then either not that Im saying that this is an issue for discussion in this thread.
Psubond
Legend
4 years ago
@0ld_yell0w wrote:
Well yes, you are 100 percent correct, BUT specialist does not PROMOTE teamwork. AS a specialist you can manage it all by youself.
The class system in previous games worked towards promoting teamwork hence you could not give ammo to youself while also firing AT rockets and heal yourself.
Besides who finds it immersive playing against 63 woody lookalikes ....
how do you do all 3 of those things with the same loadout?
FlibberMeister
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
* mic
* ability to change squad
* map showing squad targets of other teams
* more points for tr play actions
are several things that could be added to help promoter team play.
the classes / specialists issue is kinda pointless point to really argue because we haven’t even got the basics in place to be able to get the most out of each approach.

whilst I prefers classes, I can see both playing a part in different scenarios or a battlefield Universe. Why does it have to be one over the other? It’s not like they’re really that different from each other. You could expand upon the cannon of a bF universe to leverage the system.
edgecrusherO0
4 years ago
@acousticxero How do I downvote a thread, because I'm downvoting this hard. Blaming the players for failures in design from DICE is just lame, dude. Very lame. Not cool at all.
AcousticXero
New Scout
4 years ago
I’m not blaming the player base for DICE’s “design flaws” rather, I am blaming them for choosing a “lone wolf” play style while simultaneously complaining that specialists provide no team play. My reasoning is that the players who complain about no team play, are the same exact ones who never team play at all regardless of specialists. They are the epitome of of no team play. You can’t say there is no teamwork when you yourself don’t help the team. Also, if you think that the specialists are the sole reason for no team play, you are kidding yourself. There have been hundreds of times in past Battlefield titles with classes that I have been ignored by medics when I needed a revive or they never drop a med bag, there are hundreds of time where support players never drop ammo even if I ask them game chat (voice or text), or even shoot them. The only classes that have “teamplay” are the engineer and recon (and those classes are more solo orientated). Finally if you read my reply would see that I also state that the specialists exasperated the lone wolf play style more than in previous titles
JOGAGATYA
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@acousticxero Yes. I see the type of player that is responsible for no teamwork. MOSTLY: infantry player who hates vehicles and all he wants to do is have a kill every second and look at the scoreboard.
Does not revive even when standing on top of dying squad mate. Ignores squad leaders request constantly. If managed to get in a vehicle, just drives by everyone in the open and hands vehicle over to enemy team at next killing spree spot etc.
if VOIP comes alive (hopefully soon) it will help. I could say to squad mate: ‘revive me please right here around corner’ or ‘guy on roof when you get to the top on ladder’ or ‘ please heli driver pick me up underneath you’ or ‘mckay could you get to the top of the container and tell me where that guy is?’ Etc.
There will be plenty of opportunities to play as a team when VOIP comes. You can do it now too. No need to blame specialists. Classes were better (?) or just different (?). It is really mostly up to players.
AcousticXero
New Scout
4 years ago
Believe it or not, the specialist system and the class system are very similar. The only thing that separates them are the unique gadgets and names. As for me personally I don’t mind the specialists and I kinda like them ( this a sin in battlefield community apparently). Would I rather have classes back, yes but at the same time I don’t want them to remove specialists. I hope DICE sees this and takes the Star Wars Battlefront 2 approach in which you have your main classes but then you can select the specialists if you want.