The melee sytem has been bad in bf1 and bf5. They made the knives 3 hit kill and the heavy weapons 2 hit kill. This makes it very underpowered. In bad company 2, bf2, and other games, it used to be 1 hit kill, and nobady complained. You, both the devs and the community have to finally understand that not screwing over the melee system wouldn't automaticly turn battlefield into cod. Battlefield's identity is big battles and big destruction. None of these will be affected if knives are, if not one hit kill, at least like in Hardline.

@EpistimonKapetan It is one hit kill from behind. If it was oHK always then you'd just have people running at opponents hoping for a lucky hit before 0 health.

@ninjapenquinuk This. Pretty much par for the course up to BF4.That being said, i'm still not 100% sure going away from it was a good thing (it was "fun" stopping someone charging through a door with an automatic shotgun with a single stab while you were mid-reload and about dead) but i can see why they wanted the insta-stab gone while facing someone even if i miss it a little.The counter system was just a bit too flakey, though undeniably fun when you pulled it off.

@EpistimonKapetan Agreed on Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V melee. Worst in the series. I am hopeful for Battlefield 2042.There will be melee takedowns in the game which will award the attacker with a dogtag(s).@ninjapenquinuk As to the one hit kill from behind... not always. I cannot say more.Lastly, panic melee was one of the reasons the melee has been atrocious the past two games as well... at no time should panic melee award a takedown attack and dogtags.

@ninjapenquinuk Oh i remember, was only pointing out where we went from one-hit kills to counters to the 1/5 system.It's fairly clear they wanted to stop the hard counter stab when someone was holding a chokepoint, and i really didn't have an issue with that, but i also thought it was a somewhat pointless mechanic to introduce "types" of melee weapons, melee was/is (and imo should be) a very last ditch option when both primary and secondary weapons are out and/or you simply panic because you're nose to nose with someone."Complicating" it with damage profiles per weapons seemed a touch pointless to me, but i can also see why some would find it interesting, to me though i would have been fine with a uniform damage model and the weapon type being more visual flavor than anything.

Small weapons do less damage but are faster and larger weapons will naturally do more damage at the cost of speed - I think that is pretty well balanced. What I don't like about the newer system is that this makes middle melee weapons pretty much outclassed across the board with the Barbed Wire Bat only having the benefit of being a rare novelty.IIRC, melee hits from behind always killed in one hit; yeah, it can be annoying when the auto animation kicks in from what appears to be weird angles but that's just how hitboxes and input compensation works. I've snagged tens of thousands of tags so I've been on both sides lol.Counter knifing needs to be tweaked - easiest thing you can do is make the prompt completely random and timed so people can't just spam that. Speaking of spamming, knife spam isn't really a problem, it's a symptom of victim panic though - if people kept their cool and just shot at soldiers we wouldn't have this spam stigma previously mentioned

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TTZ_Dipsy
Hero+
5 years ago
Small weapons do less damage but are faster and larger weapons will naturally do more damage at the cost of speed - I think that is pretty well balanced. What I don't like about the newer system is that this makes middle melee weapons pretty much outclassed across the board with the Barbed Wire Bat only having the benefit of being a rare novelty.

IIRC, melee hits from behind always killed in one hit; yeah, it can be annoying when the auto animation kicks in from what appears to be weird angles but that's just how hitboxes and input compensation works. I've snagged tens of thousands of tags so I've been on both sides lol.

Counter knifing needs to be tweaked - easiest thing you can do is make the prompt completely random and timed so people can't just spam that. Speaking of spamming, knife spam isn't really a problem, it's a symptom of victim panic though - if people kept their cool and just shot at soldiers we wouldn't have this spam stigma previously mentioned
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@TTZ_DipsyMelee weapon speeds are a complete waste of time and resources. If higher priority work is not getting done to work on melee systems… As such, I don’t really care about that.

What I care about is the actual melee takedown that rewards a player dogtag. In Battlefield 1 and V, this was awarded for any melee kills, at any angle, at any time and it even included bayonet charges and katana kills. It was silly.

This effectively removed any skill-based elements from that system, as it used to be in previous titles. If takedowns that reward dogtags stay as only rear-aspect melee kills or at least requires a small hit box range, I would be completely fine with that.
Counter-knifing… meh. I always found it to happen when it shouldn’t and didn’t when it should.
I remain hopeful for this game…
ragnarok013
Hero+
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan To me the melee system in BF1,5 were inconsistent and not very fun. I personally prefer the melee systems of older games. I'd also like the melee animation to go back to first person.
EpistimonKapeta
5 years ago
@TTZ_Dipsy I don't care if melee weapons are balanced against each other. It would make sense for an rpg game, but not for a first person shooter. In an fps game likt bf, melee has the role of being the go to option if your enemy and you are one nose away from each other. The gun being the winner in that range does not make sense. The role of the gun is to shoot someone from a range.
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan Tell that to your shotgun or sidearm.
loneSurvivor_06
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
@TTZ_Dipsy Theirs no need to play the beta then. If it keeps being delayed over, and over. I rather just play actual game instead of the beta.
DingoKillr
5 years ago
@EpistimonKapetan BF Melee system has been used as a backup, fun, stealth and skill. Balance or different types makes sense. Being able to use a Melee with different setup is no different to @carsono311 said about having different guns. If melee is not balance(1 strike front kills) then the so called fun becomes use knife and charge like BF3/4 as it is quicker and easier then a gun.

I hope we have different Melee class that have different effects like BF1 and we can still push vehicles with.

I hope the 3rd person melee is only for trailers.
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@DingoKillr I am sorry to disappoint you, but the 3rd person is not just for the trailers.
ninjapenquinuk
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
Is it just me who thinks the 3rd person takedowns are there to help sell skins, in is what other wise a first person view game
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@ninjapenquinuk Abso-frickin-lutely. I would not be surprised if they sell “unique” takedowns as well… I just hope we are wrong.

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