Vehicle Balance!  OP AGMs

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@CantGetRight wrote:

But if you have good jet/heli  pilots on your team they should be holding the other jets/helis at bay so ground vehicles can do their job.  If you don't then oh well sucks to be on that team and the enemy's jets/helis will have free reign on your ground vehicles.

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But BF4 managed the air ground balance very well. If the enemy air dominated then yes you would have a hard time trying to stay alive in a tank because now you've got 2 jets and choppers / scouts that can target you and you know what, that's fair and you took the losses.

But in 2042 one jet can obliterate every ground vehicle regardless of whether the other team has their air in the sky. I've seen it happen a lot to know jets with AGMs are far too powerful with the current setup.

Oh what's that you say, use the jets hard counter the Wildcat!

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/zakrocz/video/151655779

Oh well good luck downing any good aware jet player with that chopper killer, because that's all it's good for in 2042.

It destroys choppers but is useless against jets. Furthermore the MAA in BF4 was actually a lot of fun to use, the Wildcat on the other hand provides a thoroughly tedious game play experience if you're trying to target air.

Due to the awful handling and terrible reverse speed you have to stay way back from the enemy or your going to get destroyed very quickly and easily by ground forces. So you end up in a quiet spot far away from all the action occasionly bothering a noob chopper pilot who strays within range.

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@ElliotLH wrote:

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@Zakos-DK wrote:

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@ElliotLH wrote:

It's the tanks I feel sorry for mostly. They've just got no way to really escape from a jet and they'll be dead in 2 passes usually. I've got less sympathy for the Boltes I've been blowing up but that because I'm enjoying some petty revenge.

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=)

The Bolte should be slowed down so its not an F1 race car,

know i deserve some payback as T1botle but i get that from other bolte now =)
the jets you just cant battle against, you just sit there helpless, there is no fight

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I'd be happy with the current speed if the armour was toned down slightly, otherwise the speed could just be reduced a little bit. 

Yes it's hard to use vehicles on the ground with jets as they are right now. The last match I played in a jet for an entire round I destroyed 15 vehicles, and all of them were Boltes or a tank. However, a few of the Bolte drivers did try using their missiles against me at least. Then again even the dogfighting isn't really balanced well in the game right now.

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yea it do seems they need 3 shoots M5. not sure if its the repair that needs the 3rd. but 2 should be enough

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@DCAT627 wrote:
@Zakos-DKOff topic, but hey really need to make mines persistent after death to slow down the Bolte abuse (I’m part of the problem as a T1 Bolter as well)

On-topic, I agree with OP 100%

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Agree. mines should stay til they are blown up or new ones are put down.

i only play Angle so i spawn with mines and drop them, call in a box and take a new loadout to run with

They need to rework all of them

There is currently a lot of overlap with roles and how over tuned and under tuned some platforms are.

I've mentioned before how a scout helicopter should not have an ATGM (or AGM as people seem to be calling them) as it now bleeds into the role an attack helicopter is supposed to fill, while also outshining it.

In this example its as simple as this- Have a ground target? Your scout helicopter has pointed it out, call an attack helicopter to clear said threat.

It's simply a case of (to no ones surprise) inbalance caused by 'everything should be able to do everything' except the everything aspect only applies to some platforms while others are left under tuned and struggling to even find the role identity.

ATGM's are broken, the current counter measure does not work properly and can be negated 100% of the time, and even if you spoof a lock, there is no actual meaningful time to reposition, and there is no place to use as cover besides small sections of several maps.

Couple this with the MBT having to fulfill a kill pool to UNLOCK Thermal smoke, you now have tanks that are free kills with 0 risk to air assets that have ATGM's unlocked because there is simply no counter besides the cheese of getting out of your vehicle. That should not be the most effective lock breaker, and even if you use this method to try and reposition your vehicle, you'll maybe get about 20 feet before needing to repeat the method again. Currently in regards to air vs armor, a tanks only option seems to be designed around "just get hit". But doesn't have the HP pool to support this apparent design mentality. Someone before mentioned the MBT has the best armor, and I am still waiting on an answer to my question of 'best armor in terms of what?' What does that translate to in game, outside of just numbers?

The smoke launcher cooldown is observably long for what it provides, and the up time on a target is extremely high for what a vehicle is provided to try and survive.

What boggles my mind is this is supposed to be a future conflict, why has the technology gone backwards?

I haven't played for about 2 months now, and my forum activity is a lot less, I've already said my ideas and made my threads so at this point my investment is pretty minimal until something changes.

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@Anti-Tank-Killer wrote:

There is currently a lot of overlap with roles and how over tuned and under tuned some platforms are.

I've mentioned before how a scout helicopter should not have an ATGM (or AGM as people seem to be calling them) as it now bleeds into the role an attack helicopter is supposed to fill, while also outshining it.

In this example its as simple as this- Have a ground target? Your scout helicopter has pointed it out, call an attack helicopter to clear said threat.

It's simply a case of (to no ones surprise) inbalance caused by 'everything should be able to do everything' except the everything aspect only applies to some platforms while others are left under tuned and struggling to even find the role identity.

ATGM's are broken, the current counter measure does not work properly and can be negated 100% of the time, and even if you spoof a lock, there is no actual meaningful time to reposition, and there is no place to use as cover besides small sections of several maps.

Couple this with the MBT having to fulfill a kill pool to UNLOCK Thermal smoke, you now have tanks that are free kills with 0 risk to air assets that have ATGM's unlocked because there is simply no counter besides the cheese of getting out of your vehicle. That should not be the most effective lock breaker, and even if you use this method to try and reposition your vehicle, you'll maybe get about 20 feet before needing to repeat the method again. Currently in regards to air vs armor, a tanks only option seems to be designed around "just get hit". But doesn't have the HP pool to support this apparent design mentality. Someone before mentioned the MBT has the best armor, and I am still waiting on an answer to my question of 'best armor in terms of what?' What does that translate to in game, outside of just numbers?

The smoke launcher cooldown is observably long for what it provides, and the up time on a target is extremely high for what a vehicle is provided to try and survive.

What boggles my mind is this is supposed to be a future conflict, why has the technology gone backwards?

I haven't played for about 2 months now, and my forum activity is a lot less, I've already said my ideas and made my threads so at this point my investment is pretty minimal until something changes.

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Can't say for certain however I have noticed that tank CM now seems to stop AGMs if you deploy smoke and don't move.

Haven't fully tested it, so I may have just got lucky a few times I tried it yesterday.

Though it still doesn't overcome the problem of a long cooldown of tank CM and a much shorter cooldown for aircraft AGMs 

On a related note I was playing 64 player US on Orbital and at one point I was being targeted by a Nightbird, an attack chopper and a jet all with AGMs!

I was constantly having to use the tunnel under the US rocket side to escape to, just one shot away from dying and even managed to take out their attack chopper but eventually I got taken out by a C5 drone operated by the very same chopper player I had blown out of the sky!

Massive face palm moment.

That is how i do it.  109 more vehicles destroyed for T1 mines

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@Zakos-DK wrote:

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@DCAT627 wrote:
@Zakos-DKOff topic, but hey really need to make mines persistent after death to slow down the Bolte abuse (I’m part of the problem as a T1 Bolter as well)

On-topic, I agree with OP 100%

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Agree. mines should stay til they are blown up or new ones are put down.

i only play Angle so i spawn with mines and drop them, call in a box and take a new loadout to run with

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Above post was supposed to quote you

In a light vehicle (LAT4V) AGM's are a 2 hit kill, Bolte's still take 2 passes to destroy. You can use thermal smoke as a counter measure, and you can also get out of the vehicle which will throw the lock so the jet can't fire.

Keep in mind though that the Jet with AGM also has no AA specific offense, so its weak against a Hind, Condor or even a Super Hokum with a half competent pilot. 

You only have your mini guns, and you cannot attack them from underneath or parallel or you will be 2 shot. A competent pilot on these flies at the ceiling so you also cant attack them from above. If you try it you'll just stall and be a sitting duck for them. Additionally if they have someone repairing as well you can never take out a fully loaded transport as a jet alone with AGMs.