What is the fascination with classes?

Being a medic with only healing gear and a designated class of weapons naturally forces a medic meta, even for lone wolves - that's just the Battlefield way. I love having options but for Battlefield to feel like "Battlefield", I don't think the current system helps.

Give a medic the ability to naturally heal themselves without the use for a medpack, give them "better" primary weapons and anti-vehicle gear, they are given more incentive to become greedy/selfish.

Angel can literally give himself unlimited heals, anti-vehicle, ammo, added armor, and any weapons he so chooses at the same time...

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@kregora wrote:
@BolvardMackay working together with Angel is team play. And that is a good thing.

The unlimited explosives guy is nothing new, what you describe is similar to a BF3 or BF4 support.

Falck is a BF4 Assault Combat Medic, so nothing new.

When you speak about aggressive tank I imagine you in your tank against 2 squads of enemies. And in that situation you deserve to be devastated, because you forgot to forgot to bring your squad to fill the other 3 seats in your tank, or you decided to equip weapon pod and weapon station with anti-vehicle equipment instead of anti-infantry capabilities.
So it shouldn't be 1 vs 8 it should be 4 vs 8, and stupidly driving in a group of enemies to run them over, can work, but most likely gets you killed.

The BF3 the engineer is the one class definetely equipped with anti-vehicle equipment, the BF4 engineer is the most likely candidate. But the BF4 support and BF4 recon may carry enough C4 to blow you up into the sky as well.

And you are sad that the BF3/BF4 tanker lone-wolf no longer is a valid option, because everyone else is lone-wolfing, and most of the examples you bring are results of teamplay?

That doesn't make classes better than specialists, it only makes it maybe more predictable. You now need to adjust your world view, and learn that everyone you harass with a tank could bite back.

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Yep.

I'm a hardcore tanker and with each new battlefield game I have to learn new tactics based on the AT threats in the latest game.

It's not too dissimilar from BFV where due to the all class skins I was already treating every enemy infantry as a threat.

In 2042 as a successful tanker who doesn't get blown up quickly you need to be patient and just observe using the main map, the mini map, 3rd POV and 1st person POV.

Then you can make your move with some degree of confidence you're going to be successful in achieving your goal, whether that be ambushing an enemy tank or infantry or helping your team take or defend a flag. 

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@skullcracker2378 wrote:
@PsubondThose who don’t like the specialist are those frail weirdos who want to fantasize they’re some bad * soldier on a battlefield,that’s why you hear most of them talking about remake bf3/4. DICE adding in specialist has destroyed that fantasy for them.

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I keep saying that and nothing will convince me otherwise.

That's the ONLY reason specialists are hated so much.

Its also not hard to work out why the end of round quips are also hated.

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@skullcracker2378 wrote:
@PsubondThose who don’t like the specialist are those frail weirdos who want to fantasize they’re some bad * soldier on a battlefield,that’s why you hear most of them talking about remake bf3/4. DICE adding in specialist has destroyed that fantasy for them.

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I keep saying that and nothing will convince me otherwise.

That's the ONLY reason specialists are hated so much.

Its also not hard to work out why the end of round quips are also hated.

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Yep exactly.  

I have the feeling that the specialists vs classes topic could be endlessly discussed without any kind of consensus emerging.

Because one of the main root causes of the controversy around BF 2042 is different groups of players, with different - and quite opposite - views and expectations regarding how the game plays and flows.

BF 2042 was obviously designed to extend its natural player base and appeal not only to Apex / Fortnite fans, but also to "regular gamers". Resulting in choices such as big maps, more players, more freedom + self-sufficiency in terms of loadouts, lots of easy-to-use vehicles on short respawn timers, fast-paced movement, "heroes" with specific talents / traits, etc. Simple, accessible and potentially instantly gratifying.

All this flagged as a BF game, based on the franchise's "legacy framework" in terms of game modes.

In a nutshell, what we have here are the perfect ingredients for a huge "all out warfare" team deathmatch with a BR flavor, using the BF franchise DNA (based on objectives to capture / defend) as a pretext to cluster people to shoot at.

This gives an utter chaos that you will love or hate depending on what you see as fun, with a constant flow of nightbirds and boltes, loads of turrets and robot dogs, no real frontline (hello Sundance and to a lesser extent, MacKay) and a balance all over the place ...

Is BF 2042 a Battlefield game or not? I honestly can't say... But what I am certain of is that the "identity crisis" that many have reffered to since BF 2042's launch is the problem EA and the studios in charge have to tackle, beyond bug fixes and performance optimization. They have to make radical, consistent choices in terms of target audience and gameplay: rewind or fast-forward, no alternative!

I like them because its what we have always had 

For me it was about a simpler type of play. 

classes have less permutations/combinations than specialists. So to some extent it’s marginally easier to adapt to the various scenarios that play out. 

so subjectively speaking, I prefer classes because of the fact it’s easier to pick a class to counter a certain scenario that’s playing out. 

For example, say your taking on a flag and having difficulty. After a couple of deaths, you can pick up on what the enemy are made up with ad adjust accordingly. 

I will often switch out classes this way, and it’s pretty quick an easy to do in. Not much thinking required.

with classes it’s just straight up a lot harder to play in that way. The combinations, and the predicting what enemies are here’s up with is just a lot harder. 

Also the scenarios that play out are just vastly greater than with the classes. What with all the gadgets etc and the fact what you look like doesn’t necessarily reflect your kit.

Now subjectivity speaking again, both have a place I think. some players like the simpler role play. Some will want the extra complexity. 

Neither will promote team play. Neither is necessarily better or worse than the other as it’s down to personal preference of wht kind of game you want to play. 

are classes more Battlefield. Sure, by merit of the fact they have been in every game till now. 

should we shun classes or change? No, we can benefit from trying out new things. But that said, we should be considerate of what bf is at its core and not loose that in the long run.

Should the wingsuit be consigned to the bin of stupid. Yes yes yes. Lol.

i might add, if they make it easier for me to select specialist and loadout UI wise, I’d not personally have much of an issue with specialists. 

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@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:

Being a medic with only healing gear and a designated class of weapons naturally forces a medic meta, even for lone wolves - that's just the Battlefield way. I love having options but for Battlefield to feel like "Battlefield", I don't think the current system helps.

Give a medic the ability to naturally heal themselves without the use for a medpack, give them "better" primary weapons and anti-vehicle gear, they are given more incentive to become greedy/selfish.

Angel can literally give himself unlimited heals, anti-vehicle, ammo, added armor, and any weapons he so chooses at the same time...

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I believe you are wrong. We all know the support that doesn't drop its ammo crate and the medic that doesn't revive and drop medic crates.

Battlefield 4 generated the ultimate meta with medic dna, assault with assault rifle and under barrel  grenade launcher and med pack and defensive perk.

That is pretty much what you get when Falck uses a  SFAR-M GL und armor plates.

So when you are fascinated with classes, you speak about BF3 classes and earlier?

Angel is the Meta of BF2042 and needs a lot of changes to get his ability on par with the other specialists.

Team balance wise the team revive ability could be removed, the loadout crate needs to be redesigned. 

I have seen the argument that enforcing classes somehow encourages team play. I would love to see the in-game statistics on that!

I have played BF since BF2, and the number of times I have played with a specific squad, I can count on one hand. If I had to guess, I think the number of people playing as a 'lone wolf' is in the vast majority. This has gradually become worse with the increasing casualisation of the player base. Judging from the playing behaviour of my children, they seem to dip in and out of games constantly, always following the latest trend (Fortnite, Apex, etc.).

The gaming landscape has changed a lot since BF2. Hoping for a return to the 'good ol' days' is just wishful thinking IMHO.