So that they can section the gadgets, add more unique uniforms, make more customization for said uniforms and section each character into a more diverse but similarly structured "assault, engineer, support, recon" system, even if it doesn't specifically categorize them as such.
In terms of customization, this means that not only are you going to have at least 10 different looking people on release, over time, each one of those 10 different options are going to get their own sub options for customization, I can't understand how this at all leads to a replica situation other than the name thing. And ya obviously I haven't played the game, but I've played alot of games with this type of "hero" system and names have never really been a immersion breaking thing, so I can't see why it would be here.
Don't get me wrong, I would actually prefer the class system for reasons I've already stated, but yall seem to be blowing the new system way out of proportion.
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@Neovisi0nIt may be nitpicking and I do hope so, but then if the names (first name and surname) drowns in customizable features, why even cling onto them and if I would put myself in the shoes of a game designer, I don't seee the value in it at that point.
I don't see how this is an issue, if they all look completely different you're never going to be able to tell that it's 50xmaria or 50xboris running around.... This new system inherently provides more base diversity than any other battlefield game so far. I don't understand how anyone can complain about it
@Ingeniekey wrote:
@Neovisi0nEven if it can be argued to be unlikely they will appear as replicas, there is still the possible situation of there being 50xMaria or 50xBoris running around and some of them being replicas which is the "hair in the soup" of immersion. I see a lot of players sharing this opinion. I see it as a solid concearn that is valuable to speak up about.
@Neovisi0n what you're running into is just a difference in peoples mindsets. You are correct but also some people will still know that all medics are Maria's regardless of visual difference that will always be there and can't be unknown once known lol. I am that type of person, I have also learned over the years not to sweat these things but that isn't the same for all though. Would be great if Dice would consider making generic names for specialists but for me personally not a deal breaker and to your point I can enjoy it despite ridiculousness it creates when you think too deep on it.
Ya, I 100% agree with you. As I've said a couple times on this form, I also prefer the class system with "unnamed" solders. But that's only for the overall lore of the game. as a lore thing, I actually prefer everyone having the same uniform depending on the team, it makes the game more of a war between two factions rather than everyone more so fighting for themselves like COD. However, by the time im actually in game and immersed in the game, I know its going to be impossible to tell, just like COD.
I just don't understand the mindset that this is some big issue, if anything its just a lore change that has no real effect on the game itself. If thats your issue, I would think that not having a story driven campaign that explains all the lore is a greater issue than the new class system.
The thing that I would expect people to be complaining about is the fact that loadouts aren't locked to specific classes anymore meaning that you can pair recon based gadgets with say assault based guns etc. I found that was a major balancer in the past BF games, so I would be more worried about that then the fact that characters have first and last names...
@WinterbornGuard wrote:@Neovisi0n what you're running into is just a difference in peoples mindsets. You are correct but also some people will still know that all medics are Maria's regardless of visual difference that will always be there and can't be unknown once known lol. I am that type of person, I have also learned over the years not to sweat these things but that isn't the same for all though. Would be great if Dice would consider making generic names for specialists but for me personally not a deal breaker and to your point I can enjoy it despite ridiculousness it creates when you think too deep on it.
@Neovisi0n to the guns being agnostic to class now... Assuming thats the only class related change I could actually get behind that unless something shown off Sunday ruins it lol. If the only difference between any one player is the specialists gadget and perk then I'll be disappointed. There still needs to be some generic class gadgets aside from the specialists uniques. There needs to be a minimum amount of class separation or it really wont feel like battlefield anymore.
@WinterbornGuardfrom what I understand based on youtubers that were involved in the media brief, the specialist gadget will be taking the slot of your second gadget, while your first gadget will still be some generic piece of utility like the gadgets in BF4. Though like guns, It sounds like these will also no longer be restricted to a specific "role" and will be able to be used in any loadout.
@Neovisi0n Yeah assuming thats the case thats too unrestricted. I can understand guns and grenades but generic gadgets need to be restricted.
@Neovisi0n per Dice they gave the an analogy for specialists saying to think of classes as categories and the specialists fall under one of those categories. Which to me would imply specialists being an archetype for an overarching class. Meaning there would still be some generics for each class and then specialists selection is how you specialize within that class gadget wise. If that isn't what they meant than they should not have stated it that way as its misleading.
@WinterbornGuardFrom the same statement you're talking about, I understood that though there are no more distinct classes, but It will be clear that specific specialists will fall into those original classes. I guess they could cater the additional gadget for each individual specialist, but I highly doubt this will be the case.
Obviously I haven't played the game yet, but playing games like R6S and seeing the amount of work it takes for the developer to cater even just 2 gadgets per operator, I cant imagine a game like BF would bother based on the scale and the fact that they're no longer restricting the weapons.
@Neovisi0n Sunday will tell. At that point why even bother with specialists lol may as well be create a class. I am sure gameplay will look good and probably be fun but battlefields shedding its identity to some extent and not sure I will love that.
These last few posts demonstrate the way the discussion should be going given the I formation available at the moment.
Names and back story is just inconsequential fluff!
That said, it is still just speculation at this point and does not deserve demands for change yet!
My 2 biggest concerns are:
As discussed above, how much restictrtion will there be in choice of gadgets and/or weapons in order to maintain a semblance of 'class' separation. I'm all for limited 'all class' weapons but a free for all could create some horrible results.
How easy will it be to distinguish between a friendly Boris and an enemy Boris?
Again though, these are only concerns based on the information available. As more detail emerges, these concerns may be appeased or may justify constructive criticism in the hope for change.
You could already tell roles apart super easily in previous entries. The classes were all standard looking military, but they had enough distinction to tell which class they were
Not necessarily, unless you're a cherry playing in Hardcore.
I prefer to have multiple options of classes and characters looking different. I personally play hardcore and believe it or not, that helps me on the battlefield for example, with my family members playing in a squad we do our best for each other to pick a specific-looking character that closely resembles them or because they like the look for both side... We never change the character after that and it's funny in a way because in-game it becomes you and I can tell who each person is from a distance while communicating one rarely mistaken a friend as an enemy.
