K/D Match Making

It's a good idea to some extent.

It would be nice to see some kind of SBMM for a special mode.

The Initiation mode that's been provided for beginners is certainly not doing the job, because it has no limiter at all and is just high rank players farming bots and easily killing any noobs that actually try and use it as an actual form of initiation to the game.

It's always funny to see people come and fight against any kind of SBMM. The only people that really hate it are the ones that like to noob stomp and/or get their troll-lolz farming kills with vehicles.

They appear to think it's much more important for them to have a chance to have a relaxing time getting easy kills against casuals than it is for the other 99.999% of players to maybe not die every 2 seconds.

The only people that really hate it are the ones that like to noob stomp and/or get their troll-lolz farming kills with vehicles.

That's the worst straw man I've heard in a while. 

I may have exaggerated to make a point, but I've seen a lot of arguments against SBMM and I'm not convinced it is much different than I said.

"You'd get 24/7 sweaty hyper competitive lobbies, where you never get to relax". That isn't an exaggeration or a strawman?

"It doesn't actually make it easier for you to play". Of course it does, if you are below average for whatever reason like being new or casual. It would be literally bound to make it easier.

"The only way you can actually play against players that aren't as good as you...". Not what the OP said they want at all. I wonder why you think of it that way.

The whole point of a decent SBMM is you would get matched with people the same as you.

An average casual player will get matched to average casual players and it certainly won't be sweaty and hyper competitive.

Once you start to get good you will get matched with people that are as good as you and, sure, they may tend to be people that take the game a bit more seriously since you don't tend to get good SBMM stats if you don't.

1. If you can't enjoy a fair fight I refer you to my 'strawman' noob-stomper comment.
2. If you can't relax playing a shooter against an equal challenge then that's a you thing, not an SBMM thing

Find it stressful to every match have to think hard and make an effort to stay alive? Welcome to the world of the average casual player in Battlefield. Don't like it? No, nor do they most of the time.

Either way, I suggested that there should be an SBMM special mode because the initiation mode is abused and useless, not that the whole game should use SBMM.

For most modes, K/D isn't the most important stat in BF. Lol I play with one of the top medics in the game, his K/D is abysmal, but he causes us to win matches because he revives 80+ people per match. Lol

Or me, I get 1.5 to 2.0 K/D, but I also take out many vehicles per game solo (which is a dangerous activity, so I die more often); you would not want me with a bunch of new players because my K/D isn't super great.

Only stat that matters in my opinion in BF is Win Rate. Hell, even score only matters so much. I've had people with low score, but they defended an objective all game, and we won because they were there doing the "boring" work of defending an objective.

And this is why SBMM just doesn't fit in BF; personally, I wish they'd get rid of matchmaking all together and just give us proper server browser and official servers (quick match finding can still exist, but all it does is throw you into the official servers for the modes you want to play based upon ping).

That isn't an exaggeration or a strawman?

No, not at all. It's a simple matter of you being matched against players where you always need to try your best to win. This is a simple result the matchmaker not allowing you to be matched against people that are worse than you.

 Of course it does, if you are below average for whatever reason like being new or casual. It would be literally bound to make it easier.

That's what you'd expect, but that's the trap of SBMM. The moment it becomes too easy for you, the game sees that you're doing better and increases the difficulty again. No matter how much you improve as a player, you'll never get to the point where you can comfortably beat players, as none will be all that much worse from you.

Not what the OP said they want at all. I wonder why you think of it that way.

I didn't mean to imply that OP would only want to play against worse players. Nor was it a direct response to anything the OP said specifically. The reason I said it, is because the game becomes much more enjoyable if you're at least average at the game. If you're at the bottom of the barrel, you're always fighting up. If you're in the middle, there's certainly people that can beat you, but there's also going to be people that you'll be able to beat.

Once you start to get good you will get matched with people that are as good as you and, sure, they may tend to be people that take the game a bit more seriously since you don't tend to get good SBMM stats if you don't.

How good do you think you'll need to be before SBMM matches you with players that'll challenge you? I don't think that's a matter of whether you're good or not. It's a matter of the algorithm collecting enough data on you to present you with a challenge at the proper skill level.

If you can't enjoy a fair fight I refer you to my 'strawman' noob-stomper comment.

That's fundamentally misunderstanding my point about the advantages of a mixed lobby. Nowhere did I say I was against a fair fight. Everyone enjoys a fair fight, just not every single engagement. You want to play against players better than you to learn from and you want to play against worse players than you, so that you're given some feedback that you've improved as a player. You play against players of equal skill level to challenge yourself at your current level. The different types of engagements add the kind of variety that would be missing in SBMM.

If you can't relax playing a shooter against an equal challenge then that's a you thing, not an SBMM thing

This is yet again a straw man.

Find it stressful to every match have to think hard and make an effort to stay alive? 

That's exactly why you don't want SBMM. In non-skill based matchmaking you might have sweaty matches, but you'll also have matches that are relatively relaxed. I don't particularly find it stressful if some of my games are sweaty, but I do find it stressful if all of my games are sweaty.