Lock-On Missiles Ignore Flares

Be fr bro 😂 The entire main sub and 99% of BF players cry about air vehicles and want them nerfed and easy to take out even when they’re already easier to take out than in any other title.

to be honest i stop playing for a few i got to sick or air being unstoppable  and AA being meaning less even the stationary ones. and engineers  using any kinda rocket didn't matter unless you where on a roof so close that didn't have time  and that was to rare and only able on a few maps  stationary  ones should be the strongest ones i game but eng rocks should be good to and the should lock on faster thin a flare can reload so if nothing else you push the air way off as is last play they just drop down a few feet and boom you dead the igla relocking you in the open for any one to take you out for a long time and they never relocked  air just way to strong making most maps with them no fun as you cant counter 

tenho um vídeo que mostra claramente esse problema

MackTKau​ Not sure. Typically, if it's the same or really similar, someone will merge it. I made edits to the entire post for different reasons, but I removed them, and they are now back to their own threads with the same post titles that they were before.

EA_Shepard​ Why were the discussion threads I linked to regarding bad anti-air balance merged into this thread? 

You asked for examples. I didn't want my discussion threads moved into this pilot whine thread.

Also it's extremely worrying that balance changes are decided seemingly by "popularity".

Air mains have an entire subreddit and discord cult designed around whining about not being able to murder servers with 150-0 kill streaks, and constantly complaining about anti-air weapons. They whine in prodigious numbers and are constantly pushing for anti-air nerfs.

Battlefield 2042 was ruined by them, because the devs kept catering to little bird & stealth helo pilots, nerfing all anti-air weapons (TOR, liz missile, stingers, wildcat) and constantly buffing the helos.

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https://steamcommunity.com/app/2807960/discussions/0/661611313945004673/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2807960/discussions/0/842879193508308615/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2807960/discussions/0/591784958348197643/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/comments/1pe8jzm/playing_aa_is_underwhelming_and_unrewarding/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/683627320773855/posts/1024293513373899/

This video clearly shows just how awful the design and ability of the Mobile AA is. You can't even aim properly because it has the twin barrels that have an aim offset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4VqnHBjI04

Mobile AA, pre-patch: "The worst vehicle in the entirety of the game and it's not even close. It has almost no utility, it's terrible at doing the job it's made for, and it's even worse at doing the jobs it's not made for. The Anti-Aircraft is absolutely horrible at taking down aircraft. Because of that, I tell you to ignore aircraft. The more time you waste firing in the sky, the less time your team has an asset helping on the ground."

I feel more useful as a ground player with an engineer kit than in the mobile AA, and the mobile AA is completely unrewarding to play. You are almost useless against air vehicles, you are little more than a nuisance against anything but a transport vehicle and it's gun has been so badly nerfed against infantry that it kills slower than the worst infantry rifles in the game.

It's even worse now in the new patch. There isn't a meta in the AA now because every shell is terrible. The multi-purpose rounds are probably the best now because they can hurt air quicker than the high velocity, because the high velocity anti-air shells overheat too quickly due to a nerf to the engineer cooldown passive. So once again, the Anti-Air vehicle, whose job is meant to be anti-air, is better off using NOT the anti-air main shell! So dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjAprJR_K_g

Skip ahead to 29 minutes for an update.

Every shell does so little damage to infantry that it takes 10+ hits (which is multiple reloads/cooldowns). It still has all the problems with the radar dish and seizure flash gun. You can't fight enemy tanks or IFVs. The anti-air shells overheat too much.

The only thing it can do now is camp in spawn or on the rear flanks doing scratch damage to everything that isn't an air vehicle, and spamming lock on aa missiles that will get flared away.

Some of it's problems:

• It has awful gun depression. You can't aim down.
• The stupid radar dishes on top hurt your ability to see things. Especially bad on the NATO team.
• It has no gunner seat so there's no ability to carry an engineer along with you. This is dumb. Even the motorbikes can carry a second guy.
• The damage against infantry is pathetic. Instead of a vehicle that the infantry should fear, they are a joke. The only good shell against Infantry is the multi-purpose, but that is so bad at everything else and has major drawbacks, so no-one uses it.
• It only had a single viable loadout (anti-armour shells, thermal block, enhanced loading) and that shell is the exact opposite from what it's mean to be doing. AA Shells are so weak and pathetic against air vehicles that the only way to get any utility out of the vehicle is to take the all purpose (now, previous patch it was anti-vehicle).
• Multi-purpose shells were complete garbage because burst and take forever to reload, and you can run out of ammo. Now after nerfs to the other shells they're still bad, but now slightly better than the ruined high velocity and anti-armour shells.
• Absurd barrel flash and explosive hit effect that makes it extremely hard to see what you're shooting at.
• Instead of the guns being realistic and having extremely accurate, high speed gunfire and able to shoot the entire ammo load quickly, in BF6 they overheat or need to reload constantly, have bad RNG spread and are hard to aim because of the bad reticule & the previous mentioned barrel aim problem.
• I forget if it's still in the game, but optimised handling was broken since launch and doesn't work.
• Targeting Jammer. Useless. Doesn't do enough to be worth using.
• Systems Upgrade is only useful if you use high velocity ammo because Enhanced Loading doesn't do anything on high velocity ammo.
• Enhanced Loading is only useful for anti-armor ammo or multi-purpose.
• Systems Upgrade and Enhanced Loading should be made default in the vehicle because they're only useful with one type of ammo, meaning there's no actual choice, and when someone doesn't know this, they're making their vehicle worse without them knowing why.
• It's AA missiles are trash. Randomly exploding, not being able to reach a jet in afterburner, blowing up by hitting tree branches (while air vehicles can smash into the ground, trees, buildings, power poles and bounce off with no damage), they will spike themselves into the ground as soon as the air vehicle they fired at drops altitude.

(cm edit merged threads)

I mean...there's a bunch of threads here and even on steam forums complaining about AA being terrible and Heli's being too dominate.

I feel like the current design of AA and Heli's wouldn't be too bad if the effort it took to take down a heli meant that the heli is gone for a long time. I'll shoot down an attack chopper and it feels like the same two pilots, who just sit there and waiting for it instead of spawning, which imo is another issue. The game needs to force people to spawn or kick them out of the server after a short while, but you can knock out an attack chopper and its basically back in the air again within a few minutes. The respawn on tanks and choppers need to be significantly longer to justify the effort it takes to take them out of play.

MackTKau​ Indeed, I can. I did some searching on the mobile AA main gun, and there aren't that many mentions of it at least on here in a while. Typically, feedback from a few people is noted, but we would need a thread with a bunch of replies to sum it up. So if 99% of players don't want more buffs to air mains, we would need those threads. If you happen to see recent ones, link them to me, and I will spin something up, but it has to be documented on this board. I can use other platforms as more evidence, but the main thing has to be on this board.

EzPzJapanezy​ I have brought this up to the studio team. I know it is something they are looking into, but what happens with it, is their call and how, when or if anything in game changes would be something they have to decide. Currently, I see no updates on it. When they do update, either they will post about it, or they will inform us of what is happening or not happening, and we will relay that info over to the players.