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ForgottenName25's avatar
3 months ago

Stupidity of Fire Rate

Hi,

I understand when someone has a Gun with 720 or more faster fire rate he win the fight, but only if to People shoot the same time!

But if I shoot 3 Bullets with the SL9 ( over 600 Fire rate) and the other with M433 shoot after I Hit 3 Bullets, how He can win the fight?

It seems, that the Server always decide the M433 win, no matter If I hitting First more the 3 Bullets.

It is not that the fire rate difference between weapon in 1 Seconds make this stupid difference.

You EA/Dice want not really all People use the Same gun? 

It is more fun when more different Style of Player Play the Game, but if all have the same Weapon, there will Not be a difference. 

We don't need Meta Weapon and the M433 seems to be Meta.

8 Replies

  • dark_black696's avatar
    dark_black696
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    the opposite also happens. Shooting a guy with an assault rifle..to get  killed while he is shouldering the DMR to shoot you.

  • Love getting 4 hits with a DMR just to have the dude turn and kill me with a smg or assault rifle. This games hit registration is so broken. Sadly all battlefields had hit registration issues its first year. SMH.

    Hit registration fix...grab a fast fire assault or smg and you get more hit registration. 

  • ForgottenName25's avatar
    ForgottenName25
    New Ace
    3 months ago

    No, I shooting, my Crosshair change to Hit Color what is in my Case White .The Server Show me that my Shoot has arrived, but he don't die.

    Then the Person notice I Shot and shoot Back.

    The Reactiontime for the most People in game are over 200ms. I don't believe the most M433 Player are Bruce Lees ;)

    The same Situation and I have for example the PW5, I win. Because the PW5 had a higher firing rate.

    This is not good. I'm not sure this Hit Registration is the real Problem, it seems to be that guns with Higher fire rate have more weight and win.

     

  • ghostflux's avatar
    ghostflux
    Seasoned Ace
    3 months ago

    If all shots are body shots, the TTK of the M433 is around 217 ms and the SL9 is around 267 ms. That 50 ms difference is pretty substantial. Even if you start shooting first, if the enemy starts shooting within 50 ms after that, they'd kill you sooner. The problem is that the server is quite slow to report that you've actually died, so it may look like you've already been shooting much sooner than your opponent did. It's essentially just desync.

  • ForgottenName25's avatar
    ForgottenName25
    New Ace
    3 months ago

    I speech about 5-10 Meters, also Face to Face fight Like in the Staircase in a Cairo Building.

    There is no dropp Off Problem. This is simply that the Server let always the M433 win.

    It is the same when I Play the SCW10. If someone with a PW7 Hit me first, it is Not okay when I kill him because of the SCW10 after 5 Bullets Hit me.

    In 1 Seconds you Shot over 10 Bullets. 10 Bullets is more than enough. But the Server decide pretty much always for the "stronger" Weapon instead who shoot First.

     

  • There's some extra calculations that you need to do.

    The M433 does a maximum of 25 damage at 830 rate of fire.
    The SL9 does a maximum of 25 damage at 675 rate of fire

    That's roughly a 22% difference in fire rate. Also keep in mind that you need a minimum of 4 body shots to kill, or 3 headshots. So it's unlikely that you'd kill anyone with only 3 bullets.

    It's also a matter of damage drop off. The SL9 is a SMG, so the damage drop off is quite severe. the M433 is an assault rifle, so it has less damage drop off at range. This means that at >10 meters the SL9 requires 5 shots and somewhere around >40 meters it would require 6. On the contrary, the M433 has a 4 shot kill upto 20 meters and has a 5 shot kill upto around 80 meters.

    Why this difference you may ask? Well, it's because the SL9 has far less recoil and spread.

     

  • ForgottenName25's avatar
    ForgottenName25
    New Ace
    3 months ago

    Thats right, but it makes no Sense when I kill someone from behind with 3 Bullets (Synthetic) and then I Shot First infront to the head and He reacts after 3 Bullets I die.

    It have to be Always 3 Headshot, doesn't matter If He reacts or Not.

    But somhow the Server always decide the M433 win. This is stupid.

     

  • The weapon systems are completely broken right now, so I’d wait for the December update. But remember, the M433 is still an assault rifle and uses a larger caliber.

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