TTK&TTD| It’s hard to kill a soidler

Please post your accuracy stats. Will help troubleshoot. A BTK of 15 bullets is factually incorrect (this can easily be verified using the gun range) 

That's completely fine. If you think that it's too difficult to kill somebody, then that's just a matter of preference. If you want people to die from a single headshot, or just a few body shots, then I can understand that. You'll be able to play hardcore and you'll get exactly that. 

However, if you're going to mention that you need a magazine to kill a single opponent, then that just doesn't add up. It doesn't matter whether that's from a theoretical or practical perspective. 

AchillezBF​ 

Alright. The developers are not going to change the official TTK (after all, their main principle seems to be pleasing COD players, while in the process they forgot about the Battlefield audience). So, nothing will change in that regard. However, there is one small solution: the developers themselves could create an official Hardcore mode and place it in the main menu, so that you can access it quickly just like you enter Conquest, Breakthrough, and so on.

Metal_Daryl97​   1 hit 15 bullets in mid range and he died . I hit him every 15 bullet somewhere in chest and he died. This kill was with M4A1. Imagine I wasted half magazine to kill one man. I didn’t missed any bullet but I hit him whole and he died after 15 bullets shot in chest. If this is not a problem ? Then what is it ? Nothing ? Is it normal? Sorry but I don’t think so

TheRock19999 wrote:

Let me give you all one final response. What we have here started as a serious discussion but has turned into a pointless debate, because we keep going in circles with the same words and arguments. Honestly, it’s exhausting to repeat the same things over and over, and there’s no value in continuing it this way. But I’ll end by saying this: clearly, the Battlefield 6 that I played and the one you played are two very different games it seems ))) we got played Different BF6

I completely agree with this, and I truly wish that EA can deliver the game that both you and I want, so we both can get the best experience out of the game. I am not sure if I have the answer for exactly how to achieve that, but one of the options that has been mentioned multiple times on this forum is to make a hardcore mode that is very easily accessible through the main menu for all players that want that kind of experience.

To anyone claiming that the TTK is too slow, I would like you to post a screenshot of the stats you got from dice after trying the beta (includes accuracy). I still suspect that a mixture of poor accuracy and bloom can make the ttk seem slow. It's actually pretty fast if you hit your shots 

ghostflux​ 

AchillezBF​ 

Alethes​ 

I respect your opinion, but let me tell you something. I’ve gone through your comments, and maybe you are right in some ways. I say this even though I still believe the TTK is clearly disconnected from reality. I also don’t like what’s being discussed here the fact that killing a soldier feels unnecessarily difficult and I agree with those who point that out. It’s just that you clearly have more of a fantasy driven taste rather than a realistic one. Please don’t take this as an insult I’m saying it in a friendly way. <3

ghostflux​AchillezBF​ 

Let me give you all one final response. What we have here started as a serious discussion but has turned into a pointless debate, because we keep going in circles with the same words and arguments. Honestly, it’s exhausting to repeat the same things over and over, and there’s no value in continuing it this way. But I’ll end by saying this: clearly, the Battlefield 6 that I played and the one you played are two very different games it seems ))) we got played Different BF6 

Honestly, the constant skill issue replies are lazy and don’t add anything to the discussion. 

If I'm objectively looking at the reasons why people may struggle to kill an opponent, then skill must be taken into the equation. It's not because I think I'm somehow a better player than you, but because I acknowledge that properly controlling your weapon in the chaos of battle is actually a really difficult thing. 

People here are raising legitimate points about how the game feels to play, not just damage numbers on a spreadsheet.

Feelings are subjective. The game can feel completely different depending on whether I've slept well or not. Whether a point is legitimate isn't decided based on how you feel, but whether those feelings can be attributed to demonstrable issues with the game.

You can repeat TTK is fine :)))))) all day long, but that ignores the reality that mechanics like spread, bloom, latency, hitreg, and overall pacing make the practical TTK feel different than the theoretical one.

That's because basing your argument on actual statistics is the only way to reliably and accurately determine whether there's a problem or not. I'm not ignoring that there's a difference between practical and theoretical TTK. It's just that it's something that is to be expected. It by itself doesn't indicate an issue with the game. If you can't hit your shots due to a lack of skill, that isn't a problem with the game. That's why things like spread, given that you're able to compensate for it, aren't relevant to the equation.

And stop acting like being a veteran is irrelevant. Veterans don’t pull rank for bragging rights they have a broader frame of reference because they’ve played across Battlefield’s eras. 

It's an appeal to authority and it is irrelevant. If two "veterans" have opposing opinions then what? Do you specifically look at who has the broadest frame of reference? Do you look at who has the highest number of hours played? Or would you like to look at score per minute across all the games instead? Having a broad frame of reference, doesn't tell you anything about the knowledge a person has. That's why you prove your knowledge, not by claiming your a veteran, but by providing sound arguments. 

Also, saying I can kill with half a mag, so everyone else should too isn’t a valid argument that’s anecdotal.

The in-game statistics page of the M4A1 in Battlefield 6 beta, mentions that the gun has 25 maximum damage per bullet. Given that you're in CQB, where this maximum damage applies, are you saying that expecting people to hit 4 out of 30 bullets (+1 in the chamber), without missing 27 bullets is anecdotal? What?

Go test it properly in controlled settings, record your bullet counts at different ranges, and then we can talk. Until then, telling people they’re just bad at aiming is not a counter argument, it’s just arrogance.

Ah, you're doing the same as OP, you're inverting the burden of proof. We already plenty of proof where people are demonstrably showing that you can kill within less than an entire magazine, just go look at any gameplay footage of Battlefield 6. It is you who has to prove that it requires a magazine, despite aiming well. Besides, I've never claimed that it's just about aiming. It's also about recoil and spread handling. I shouldn't even have to say this, but if you engage opponents outside of the effective range of your weapon, that could also be an issue.

To me it's just a matter of Occam's Razor. The simplest and most plausible explanation here is that it's a skill issue. I could clearly be wrong about that, but that's certainly not a matter of arrogance. I've never claimed that I was a better player than any of you. If I mess up, I'm not afraid to admit it's a skill issue as well. We all have our moments where we seemingly miss shots that we shouldn't have.

The bottom line: Battlefield isn’t supposed to feel like COD. 

 It doesn't, so that's one issue already fixed.

1. The reason I got confused is because you mentioned spread and bloom as if they were two different things. What you're probably referring to is essentially just a component of what I'd call spread. Depending on the game, it might be slightly different but in simple terms it just comes down to spread increase per shot and spread decrease. I don't know why you'd call it bloom.
2. I agree, there's a difference between "theoretical TTK" and "practical TTK". However, when speaking of TTK, I generally assume a theoretically perfect hitrate. This is because it's not possible to reliably make comparisons based on a myriad of random external factors. Sure it can "feel" longer, but you can't reliably and accurately quantify a feeling and use that to balance the game. 
3.  You're the one making the claim that latency is contributing significantly to the TTK, so you are the one that's responsible for providing the evidence. I'm not disputing the fact that latency could influence TTK, but at the same time I have no reason to believe that latency plays a significant role as long as your latency is low.
4. Perhaps you have, but I've not seen you post them in this thread. Provide the evidence and if I'm wrong about it, I'll be happy to change my opinion.
5. I don't dispute when you say that you "feel" something is off, but feelings alone aren't a good foundation for discussion. Feelings are subjective. If you can search for evidence to explain those feelings, then that could either validate, or invalidate those feelings. If my perception is completely opposite to yours, then that could suggest that it's not a deliberate balancing decision, but there is something else going on. Let's say it's a bug that's affecting the TTK, then why would you balance the TTK around that instead of fixing the bug?
6. Again, you're using "we". It's a fallacious appeal to authority. Based on the statistics we've seen in the beta, Battlefield 6 is in my opinion already weighty and lethal. I'm not too sure how you could quantify weighty, but if you're able to effectively kill your opponent that already counts as lethal? It's probably a subject that requires you to be more specific.
7. Indeed, that's at least one out of several different tests you could do. Feel free to share your results. If those results can be reproduced and prove your point, I'll be happy to change my mind.
8. Battlefield has generally been very transparent about being able to troubleshoot your own issues. Battlefield 2042 had extensive graphs that you could enable. Last time I check the settings in Battlefield 6 beta, I saw similar options to enable them. I haven't compared them though. As far as your other requests go, I don't have anything to say about that, you're obviously free to provide feedback and ask for things. 

this isn’t ego posturing it’s feedback about core game identity and player experience.

If you don't want people to think you're ego posturing, perhaps use a little less "we" and a little more "I"

it’s not hard isn’t a rebuttal it’s an opinion.

I've seen you do this multiple times already, but to me it looks like you're trying to invert the burden of proof. The burden of proof is on the person that makes the claim, not the person that denies it. However, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to link a random YouTube video showing people that don't need an entire magazine, but I'm getting the feeling that's not the kind of evidence you're looking for.